A new way to mic drums

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ps.

Im gonna drum with some old dynamic mics tomorrow and I promise Ill post the results here. Still not sure what im gonna do about the kick.
 
notbradsohner said:
Still not sure what im gonna do about the kick.

You could tape a D112 to the front of your shoe, I suppose. ;)

Man, this is all just too funny. Makes me glad I gave that shit up. :D

Brad
 
notbradsohner said:
ps.

Im gonna drum with some old dynamic mics tomorrow and I promise Ill post the results here. Still not sure what im gonna do about the kick.

I'm eager to hear it. Muaha.
 
hahahaha i wanna hear that too
now, seriously...if you make aside the weight problem...you still have the phase issues...imaging both mics moving like crazy all over the kit and then listening in mono...all the "swoosh'ish" sound haha

but hey, maybe smoking that shit will make you come up with an idea of mic'ing a classic guitar by putting tiny mics on your fingers (just kidding)
 
Man, I'm not sure what's worse, the idea, or admitting to liking Len
 
alright, i didn't think of all of the issues, such as the fact that we want to catch the resonation of the drums, not just the impact. maybe it wouldn't work, but what are 58's. and i am very proud of liking Len. Ptown, have u heard the album, it's actually really good, but the fact that i thought of this idea, does now make me wanna quit. BAD. i admit to my stupidity, and accept the consequences. i apologize to every drummer.
 
Rock Star 87 said:
seriously, i'm straight now, and i still think it's a good idea. what's wrong with it.

1.) Impact noise from the stick hitting the drum.

2.) Lack of solid, realistic stereo imaging--unless you consider drums swishing and panning around in the mix to be a "good" sound. Or, god help you, you took the tracks and panned each hit around to sound unmoving.

3.) The sound of whooshing.

4.) The lack of decay on the drum hits as the stick moves on to something else. I imagine the sound would closely resemble "ticka-tocka-clicka-clacka" more than drums.

5.) Are you going to put a beater on the kick beater too?

6.) Unless they're wireless the drummer is going to have to get used to having XLR cables coming off their sticks.... I can tell you that most drummers, who are generally confused by click tracks, are not going to be diggin' this one bit. Oh, and I'd imagine they'd be heavy--thus altering the tone of the sticks on the drums. What if the drummer wanted a lighter stick sound?

7.) Having any kind of room ambiance, other than whooshing, is going to be difficult to achieve.

8.) The cost to manufacture would be prohibitive. Couple this with the fact they'd probably get broken anyways (unless you used tons of frequency sucking "insulation" on them--which defeats the purpose of having a good sounding mic).

9.) Massive proximity effect from HITTING the drums, then coupled with the sound of the drum moving about 1-2' away in 200-500 milliseconds.

10.) High hat bleed is already enough of a problem. Do you really need to increase it?

Literally you could discount everything but #2 and you'd still have an unusable mic design. Maybe for laughs you could use it one time for a special effect in a noisy track, but the day-to-day applications of this mic are nil.

Lay off the drugs man. They call it dope for a reason.
 
my friend was at some club or something listening to some band, and the vocalist threw the drummer a mic and he started using it as a stick. From what i hear, it was not pleasant.
 
MadAudio said:
Actually, I think Neil Peart did that once. :eek:


Or maybe it was a myth that I believed 'cause I was high at the time! :D

He did - I remembered someone mentioning it to me a while back so i checked into it and yes he did. They took almost the whole drum mix from that one mic. But the whole mic in a stick idea is nuts....just stupid.
 
t minus 4 hours until I try this shit. Ill let you guys know. I think im gonna do it with some '58s. Can really hurt them right?
 
NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i doubt it will hurt them- 58's never break.
 
Supercreep said:
But if you built it, somebody would buy it and ask here how it compares to a U87.

Holy shit, I was drinking a beer when I read this and launched it right back out of my nose! :D! This thread should be some type of 'Public Service Announcement', like that 'This is your brain', 'This is your brain on drugs' commercial, it would be more effective.
Don't feel too bad though RockStar, the last time(and I do mean the last time) I smoked hash and honey oil I ended up joining a group of Hari Krishna followers on a journey towards spiritual enlightenment. Thank god it only lasted 4 hours and didn't make it out of Venice Beach.
 
I'm sorry, I read that and I had a good laugh. You hit a bowl and suddenly everything is so "clear".


But on a serious note, it could never work...not properly anyway. It's good in theory, but too many flaws.


Sticks break all the time, so it would be an expensive venture. Fitting a mic that small into a drum stick would be expensive as$#%.

What if the drummer loses a stick during the show? Then you just lost one of your mics. How would you even get signal from the mic?



But probably the biggest concern is the noise. Drum sticks are noisy when they are flying through the air. They are constantly in motion so you would get the constant doplar/gale force wind effect in your ears.


Despite all that, keep up the thinking. It might spawn the next break through in sonic technology
 
Rock Star 87 said:
i'm on a buzz from smokin' that herb last night, and I came up with a good idea while listening to Len (the band that did "Steal My Sunshine", and it's a great album"), and i thought of something. If someone could put a mic in each stick, and design it so that it wouldn't clip, maybe a lot of insulation, and also put a mic in the bass drum kicker thingy, wouldn't that be a lot easier and clearer than open mics on the kit. I haven't figured out how to mic the hi-hat yet though. I'm not a drummer, but I like to think i have a hint enough to respect them and realize the struggle involved in micing a kit. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

For all the reasons listed in the posts above, yeah, it wouldnt work for a conventional drum sound. Probably would be cool as a weird effect. Definetly an original idea - so it aint stupid by any measure! Thinking outside of the box never hurt nobody...although it might damage your mics!
 
notbradsohner said:
t minus 4 hours until I try this shit. Ill let you guys know. I think im gonna do it with some '58s. Can really hurt them right?

K- i'm waiting eagerly for the clip of this. what's going on??? :D:D:D
 
hahaha, so funny !

i kinda made this kind of thing u're talking about,
supersimple

buy yourself 2 drumtriggers for
$7 a piece,

stick these thingies to your drumheads OR on the tips of your sticks,

connect the triggers to a drumhead or whatever machine that makes sound..... et voila, u got your Dopemachine !!

haha

but it doesnt work very well, nothing beats my real microphones !!!!!!!
 
This is a great thread. I just wanted to share that with you.

:)
 
notbradsohner said:
t minus 4 hours until I try this shit. Ill let you guys know. I think im gonna do it with some '58s. Can really hurt them right?


Well, if you aint gonna do it. I am. Do I have to get high first? :confused:
 
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