A New Sound For Me

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This is actually an old project that's finally getting done. I had posted a few tunes from this piano player singer that were of the solo/ballad type. The album will have some more fleshed out tunes as well, and besides the recording & mixing, I'm doing the fleshing out. Tricky part is, because she only had a small window of availability, all the piano & vox were done first--everything else (drums included) is being added after the fact. Here's the first one in the pipeline:

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Latin percussion; Latin-style, flowing bass w/ anticipations alternating roots and fifths...think, like, Oy Ye Como Va...Santana; Horn lines that stretch away from the choppy figure, and sing over the rest.

The main problem is that there's not much 'roll'. Most of the instruments, most of the time , are locked into the 'da-da-dum' figure. Might do well with a layering of different textures..connective stuff...sustaining counter melodies in the horns...to get it off the runway, before the choruses. The bass needs to sustain, and the 'ands' of the 4/4 are entirely vacant when you're not playing the ride....a pop from a conga or cowbell, for example, would lend 'roll'.

One other thing I didn't hear were voices leading in the chord comp. Basic triads...thirds in the horns...mariachi...not a chromatic thing, hitting tensions I can recall. I don't even think there's a b7 on any of the V chords. Especially in the layouts in the bridges.....a little blue-ness would give it some ...errr...poignancy. That's something you could add..the triads on the piano leave lots of open harmonic space.

The piano is not hitting the beats, a lot of the time...and it makes the tune sound kinda ragged. A good roll from percussion, latin bass, and sustaining horn lines [it's the accuracy of the horns in the figure that showcase the slop in the piano] would make it a lot more appealing, I think.

Send me an mp3 of the first verse and chorus....vox, piano and drums. I'll put in the stuff I'm talking about, just to see if it works. For fun and learning.
 
This is definitely different from your usual stuff, Bob....
The quality of the recording is pristine. I tend to agree with Jeff about the groove though. It's definitely an arrangement thing though, just adding some punch and flavour to the whole thing.
 
Latin percussion; Latin-style, flowing bass w/ anticipations alternating roots and fifths...think, like, Oy Ye Como Va...Santana; Horn lines that stretch away from the choppy figure, and sing over the rest.

The main problem is that there's not much 'roll'. Most of the instruments, most of the time , are locked into the 'da-da-dum' figure. Might do well with a layering of different textures..connective stuff...sustaining counter melodies in the horns...to get it off the runway, before the choruses. The bass needs to sustain, and the 'ands' of the 4/4 are entirely vacant when you're not playing the ride....a pop from a conga or cowbell, for example, would lend 'roll'.

One other thing I didn't hear were voices leading in the chord comp. Basic triads...thirds in the horns...mariachi...not a chromatic thing, hitting tensions I can recall. I don't even think there's a b7 on any of the V chords. Especially in the layouts in the bridges.....a little blue-ness would give it some ...errr...poignancy. That's something you could add..the triads on the piano leave lots of open harmonic space.

The piano is not hitting the beats, a lot of the time...and it makes the tune sound kinda ragged. A good roll from percussion, latin bass, and sustaining horn lines [it's the accuracy of the horns in the figure that showcase the slop in the piano] would make it a lot more appealing, I think.

Send me an mp3 of the first verse and chorus....vox, piano and drums. I'll put in the stuff I'm talking about, just to see if it works. For fun and learning.

Thanks for the great input Jeff. Some of it goes to the original song and some the added arrangement--in any case I've got the midi from the original, so I'll be able to play with some of your ideas. I'll try to shoot you an MP3 tonight.
 
Nice - I like the vocalist! The mix is good for me, you could add more if you like but it's got the basics nicely covered...
 
Jeff has some great comments. I think the recording and mixing sounds great. The song itself is real choppy. I'd love to hear what Jeff is talking about. Post the revision if you would.
 
Your work on this is pretty good.
Can you remove the piano & replace it with something by you?
You'd be more comfy with a groove if you weren't trying to match those choopy chords.
 
Yeah I agree with the others. Choopy and disheveled. Nice recording, it just needs help in the arrangement.
 
Removing the piano sounds like a good experiment to me. Maybe replace with a mariachi guitar section? It would work better if I could picture the musicians in a groove, together. It needs some spice to hold the interest, since it's quite repetitive.

I'm thinking of John Mayer's song, "Say." Extremely repetitive song (my kids counted how many times "say what you need to say" is sung, and it was ridiculous), but the music is interesting, and a canvas for lots of changes with the harmonies, so forth... It's got lots of color and feeling.
 
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