a new "metal" song.

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Like that a lot. Mix will fix the balance...but I hung in there for all 4.5 minutes...and enjoyed it. I fearing it'll have Cookie Monster vox.

Very powerful sound.
 
Pretty nice riffing.
Do you have any bass at all here? Can't make it out. Drums need a lot of work, on the heavy parts I can't hear the kick properly. Guitars seem to lack some edge. On the whole this kind of tune should push the listener to the wall.
Good song though, so keep working on it.
Please...no cookie monster!

Joey :):)
 
Cool, thanks a lot guys...there is a bass in there, but it had a really bad clickly sound to it so I put a MBC on it and isolated the click and compressed it out. Probably why it sounds really weird, but its there.

What should I do about the drums and the guitar? Maybe boost the mids on the guitar to give them some bite and just turn them down a little to let the drums through, yeah?
 
Hmmm, you must have changed the mix, the bass is a tad loud now. Guitars sound excellent. Some vocals, and real drums, and this will be stellar!
 
Please don't mess with the guitars!!!!

Load some of Greg L's or RAMI's drum kit...about 20 seconds...on a desktop file. Grab each isolated MIDI drum part, find the sample that's closest to the model, tweak EQ to get it closer, and print that individual kit part on its own track. Do the same for every part of the kit. I've done it twice...and that exercize is good for hearing what it's about.

If the bass is not severely rolled off over 300-is Hz, try that, to get it out of guitar range...lower, cuz of the low tuning...

My guesses as to where to go next.

Please don't even sneeze at the guitar tracks...or clone and store if you just gotta! Love 'em.
 
Where can I find Greg_L's or RAMI's drums? Tried searching but no go.
 
scroll down to RAMI's post "New House". He gives an excellent whole-kit sample in the first 10 seconds of the tune [showoff :^)

After you model the sounds, try to set the kit-mix and pan...and overall seat in the mix w/ the rest of the band.
 
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I guess I don't understand...so I have one of these guys do the real drums for me or I use some samples?

I'm confused.
 
I mean listen to the sound of, say, RAMI's bass drum. Scroll through all your bass drum samples, and find the one that most resembles his tone, tuning, attack and decay. Then use the EQ on your board to fine-tune the frequency representations of the audio sample to get it closer. [I find, generally, that real drums have more sub 300Hz and more 800 to 4000Hz than my synth's samples...giving more 'tub' and 'attack'. I use a parametric EQ . And I get as close as I can. Then I record that sound to an audio track, using the bass drum midi data. [if your midi drum data is all on one track, make several clones, and delete everything in the cloned track except the one piece you want to record. Split the data if you have to...if the sound you find is part of a 'kit' in the synth. [might be another way, but that's what I do]

I do the same for every part of the kit. And when I'm done, I have a much nearer representation of a real drum kit.

Then I mix and pan the new 'kit' in audio to itself on the platform, and then mix the entire 'kit' into the tune, continuing to reference RAMI's tune.

I guess you could also assemble everything as a custom synth kit, and actually use the synths parameters to tweak the sounds. That would take me a long, long time....I'd have to read the manual.

I've done this three times. And it's a good ear trainer, not being a drummer n' all. Focuses attention on a personal weakness, for me. I did it last week, using the same RAMI tune as a model, but the end result didn't work for the non-rock tune and mix I tried it on. But your's is a lot closer to RAMI's thing, and it might work well.
 
I agree with Joey's comment on the guitars lacking edge. It almost sounds like you have the dist up, but you are trying to play quietly. That squeal sounds particularly timid.

as for the drums, I think they sound a bit machine like. they don't sound timid like the rest of the song, so they stick out as being fake.

I do like the song, I just think the playing and the mix need to be more aggressive.
 
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I agree with Joey's comment on the guitars lacking edge. It almost sounds like you have the dist up, but you are trying to play quietly. That squeal sounds particularly timid.

as for the drums, I think they sound a bit machine like. they don't sound timid like the rest of the song, so they stick out as being fake.

I do like the song, I just think the playing and the mix need to be more aggressive.
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I actually had the distortion down and played normally :confused:

For the drums, how can I route each track in EZD to it's own track in my DAW? So I can EQ and replace and what not.
 
Ha, I know you did. I can't imagine anyone would or even could play the guitar like that, but that's just the way it feels.

EZ drummer has multichannel out. So you can send the kick to EZdrummer out1 left and the snare to EZdrummer out1 right, toms out EZdrummer out2, etc. In your daw, just make a new track and make the input to the track be the output from EZdrummer.

And because I recommend this for everyone using ezdrummer, I always suggest you mute the under the snare mic. It just adds too much snap to the snare and makes it fake sounding.
 
oops. I just read my post above and it sounds like I'm saying that I know you were playing softly. Not what I meant. I meant that I know you didn't play softly with the distortion way up, but it just feels that way.

I think it's best I just stop talking now.
 
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