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it's pretty cool, sounds well recorded (mind, i am listening on some shitty headphones)


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*on that FUNKETY FOURah...*

Sweet. Drums need layering or embellishment, IMHO. More presence in the vocals (maybe peak limit them as a track, instead of compressing).

Great guitar tone at 2:20, btw. Is that the Mormon Ratsenacle Choir @ 2:44? ;)

Something about the lead tone is whack. The stuff at the beginning is... off somehow. You know.

BTW, GREAT sounds. WOW. Do tell how you made 'em, eh?
 
Thanks fo rthe kind words! I have to admit that I'm not real happy with the mix, although I'm not really sure what I want to do with it. The song sounds great live and I'm not really capturing that to it's full potential.

Here's how it was done:

All the drums were recorded individually on their own tracks:
First the hi hat and cymbals track (click click click crash)
Kick
snare
toms

then all other tracks normally...

mics: a coupla SM58 copies, an oktava 213 condenser, sm57
mixer: Behringer, Tascam porta07
recorded with: cool edit pro
recorded on: PIII 800 mhz, Windows 2000 Pro, 128 MB, SB Live
Guitar: Strat, 100 watt Marshall valvestate, lexicon vortex, misc stomp boxes
bass: can't remember
Alesis compressor...

Any ideas would be appreciated on how to improve the sound quality here. I'm not sure if I appreciate the guitar tone.

Rats sings lead on this one. The see saw singers you speak of at 2:44 is currently ony the nuge.


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Originally posted by Kelly Holdridge
*on that FUNKETY FOURah...*

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?the sky came calling out to pass that bottle now funky neck fall out

Hey have you ever heard the Flaming Lips' "Kim's Watermelon Gun"? How do they get that weird lead tone in that I wonder. It sounds like it's played over the phone or something. I couldn't seem to get the right combo in cool edit so I tried something else. My favorite part of the song is when the cord falls out of the guitar in the solo at 1:50:D

How to embellish the drums? How to layer? Pray tell your secrets oh wise and funky one...

Which stuff at the beginning specifically, or do you know?
 
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The mix: it sounds like the drums and the rhythm guitar are playing in completely different rooms. You might try less verb on the guitar or more on the drums to bind things together a bit more.
 
Man this tune took me on a journey. The first stop on this journey was the death of the analog outs on my soundcard. OUCH!!

I'm screaming in pain as I type. My Gina is no more. Like that hockey dad, Michael Costin, that got his lights punched out.
The S/PDIF still works so I can fool some other device into playing this stuff.

I was taken aback by the the funky background noises but seeing as it's a Martian Mix, maybe this is planned.

The vocals are too low relative to the other stuff. Just scrape a few rat hairs' worth off of all the other tracks and you'll be on your way. You already sort of straightened this out toward the end of the mix so be aware of this when addressing the problem.
 
:D Thanks for the input peeps!

rats crawls back to the drawing board humming and muttering in some type of ancient Sumerian or Egyptian dialect and adjusts the knobs on his distortion pedal....
 
Cool tune. Its not normally the kind of music I listen to, but I like the arrangement a lot, a real lot.

I can't really add anything to what everyone else said. I think Kelly perfectly summed up what I hear. There is a dullness to the overall sound. It doesn't jump out at me sonically, what are you using for monitors?

I can see what you mean about a live version, I bet this tune kicks live. I think the recording is almost there, but it lacks that extra kick in the ass. Good job though.
 
[/b]How to embellish the drums? How to layer? Pray tell your secrets oh wise and funky one...

Which stuff at the beginning specifically, or do you know? [/B]

Oh shit. You're talking to me! ROFL.... uhm, rats? LMAO...

Okay, I have NO answer to your first question. As far as the layering goes (you referring to mixing and voice placement, or grouping of voices?), the only thing I can suggest is throwing your leads WAAY off to one side or another. Not necessarily for this song, but most of my songs that sound "off" generally get cured with a quick twist of the lead's pan knob. Like I have an ear for it anyway, lol...

The stuff at the beginning... Okay, if you haven't heard the song before, it's tough to determine what the riff is at the beginning. Kinda sounds like an AM radio version of Ramones song, but it's still hard to catch what rhythm you're playing. It SOUNDS like you're using too little gain (on the mic) and perhaps that you're trying to be quiet while playing...? I think the "fix" for this is to play staccato enough so that the rhythm comes through (and maybe keep that guitar tone, it works really well with the rest of the instruments into the song).

Also, that lead that comes in and feels like a cross between marmelade-covered worms on amphetimines crawling on your inner thigh and an itch that can't be scratched. It's a shrill, biting tone... kinda makes it hard to relax and dig the waves of texture you've got going on. I'd try something warmer (or play down an octave, which might fix all of this).

Uhm... I dunno, I like the texture of sound (has a deep Sonic Youth quality to it). If you wanna head more mainstream than this, bring up that rhythm guitar track, drop the snare a bit (add some 'verb to it, just a little).... Yeah, relative to the bass (which sounds a bit sharp at times, too, probably because that "shrill" lead sounds a bit flat when it's introduced with the bass), drop the snare just a bit and bring up the guitar... FOR OTHER SONGS. This one is pretty cool the way it is.

Possibilities that pop into my head: syncopate the kick, add leading tones to the bass line, use the middle pickup on the bass and forget about the pluck of the 1st pickup, drop that first "click" of the hi-hat, and maybe extend the kick tunnel with a box or something to get an accurate "PUHMMM" from the kick (yeah, i haven't tried it either), and if you REALLY REALLY do it, have yourself play 4 or 8 measures before the song getting loosened up (and then cut them with CEP afterwards). The first round of drums and bass give an "unsteady" feel to the song that probably should be right-on, and you can easily attain that by putting in a click or beat 8 or 16 measures before the song and playing with it, then keep playing but actually start the song knowing you're gonna kill those 8 or 16 measures/beats anyway. Vocals up.

Have you heard any WAX? They did some really good songs a while back, and in addition to S.Y. and F.L., I hear some of that there too.

I'm gonna shut up now. High and absolutely sure I'll be sticking my foot in my mouth visiting this thread in the future.
 
This is just what I was looking for thanks again.

Rats' favorite parts of this thread:

dobro: The mix: it sounds like the drums and the rhythm guitar are playing in completely different rooms. You might try less verb on the guitar or more on the drums to bind things together a bit more.
Good Sound advice. I like that. I can use that. You're right, too.

#5 Kelly: Something about the lead tone is whack. The stuff at the beginning is... off somehow. You know.
Yeah...something. Last night at band practice the three of us huddled around the monitor reading all of your responses and playing back the session over and over, arguing, muting, drinking beer, and trying not fuck anything up more than it already is. The beginning is fucked. I don't know how I could miss it! I guess I 've just heard it so many times I've gotten used to it! The kick drum was off a bit on the first few beats, the original hit on the high hat was off, and the tone on the clean electric sounds like total shit!!! And it was mixed down at too low a volume.

#4 cmiller: There is a dullness to the overall sound. It doesn't jump out at me sonically, what are you using for monitors?
Right on. Dullness. It's the clean rythym guitar I think. Will have to go back and investigate this. I have basically three sets of cheap monitors: a low end set of desk top PC speakers, a little-bit-better set of desktop PC speakers with a sub woofer, and an older Panasonic home stereo system with small home stereo speakers. They work OK but not what I would like to have. New monitors is on my wish list. But even more of a problem with me is my sucky hearing as a result of my fondness of loud music. I demand the treble turned up on everything!

#3 drstawl: Man this tune took me on a journey. The first stop on this journey was the death of the analog outs on my soundcard. OUCH!!
WTF? :confused: :)

#2 rats: Thanks for the input peeps!
Sometimes my own profoundness boggles my own mind.

and rats' top favorite thing about this thread:
#1 Kelly: Possibilities that pop into my head: syncopate the kick, add leading tones to the bass line, use the middle pickup on the bass and forget about the pluck of the 1st pickup, drop that first "click" of the hi-hat, and maybe extend the kick tunnel with a box or something to get an accurate "PUHMMM" from the kick (yeah, i haven't tried it either), and if you REALLY REALLY do it, have yourself play 4 or 8 measures before the song getting loosened up (and then cut them with CEP afterwards). The first round of drums and bass give an "unsteady" feel to the song that probably should be right-on, and you can easily attain that by putting in a click or beat 8 or 16 measures before the song and playing with it, then keep playing but actually start the song knowing you're gonna kill those 8 or 16 measures/beats anyway. Vocals up.
Shit man! Now that is lending an ear and advice! You rock dude. Really that whole reply was incredible.

Thanks again to all. Will post results of our reworkings of this tune in a week or so.
 
D@mn ratso-rizzo!!! You got skillz!!!!!
That was hotttt! A tad more presence on the drum tracks MIGHT be needed, but everything else was slammin'!!!
 
mucho thanko 2Qs! I have a big overhaul in the workings for this one, drums included! Will try and retain the slammin integrity!...:D
 
The song sounded good to me Rats.
But I'm new at this so don't listen to me.
So, you did the vocals? Might I suggest you remove your pipe next time. I sounded like it was bumping the mic. J/K.

After listening to the song, then reading the input from the others, I can see what they are talking about. But it's good.
 
Hey rats, cool tune. I like the way you morph into another bit at the end, and I also liked the acoustic version. Maybe you could morph that into the electric version, too. Just a thought.

Macle
 
Hey thanks guys. I've got the remake almost ready to post, just have a few final touches to make.

Hey macle, how the hell did you hear the acoustic vesion of that song? That was done with my old band the Thrigs, and I haven't had the link to that page with the MP3s up for at least a year! Unless you listened in way back when... Morph from acoustic to electric huh? Hmmmm....

gassey: ummm....thanks!:D
 
rats said:

Hey macle, how the hell did you hear the acoustic vesion of that song? That was done with my old band the Thrigs, and I haven't had the link to that page with the MP3s up for at least a year! Unless you listened in way back when... Morph from acoustic to electric huh? Hmmmm....


Heard it recently. There was a link somehow to it on your site, I think it went to mp3.com or something.
 
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