I've been daydreaming of the computer recording world, wondering how much stuff would cost and what to get. If I were to use my computer for recording I'd want to hook up a Mackie 1604VLZ Pro to it, and have 8 ins and 8 outs. I think the 1604 uses RCA in/out, not totally sure, I don't own one. Is there such a sound card and would I have to sell my soul to afford it?
8 I/O Sound Card?
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well, the Mackie 1604 has a set of RCA INs/OUTs but on each track it does not have RCAs, it uses 1/4 jacks for the channel inserts, the aux's and the main outs, plus a stereo set of XLR outs.
And as for the soundcard, unfortunatly gadgetlabs just went out of business, because for what U want, the Gadgetlabs 8/24 would have been the way to go....... but it is no more *cries*, so other cards with 8 i/o's will be kinda pricey
Sabith
And as for the soundcard, unfortunatly gadgetlabs just went out of business, because for what U want, the Gadgetlabs 8/24 would have been the way to go....... but it is no more *cries*, so other cards with 8 i/o's will be kinda pricey
Sabith
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
ola help me out here.
went to the hoontech site and well it looks great. now where's the catch?
cause there's gotta be one else everybody would be using this unit. I also noticed they don't give a SNR.
is this the reason it's cheap?
cause the DAC and ADC box got SNR's (which are 120 ) that should sell like the shit cause aark 24 isn't as good as that. i think.
but i'm probably wrong.
that's why i'm asking you.
please?
guhlenn
went to the hoontech site and well it looks great. now where's the catch?
cause there's gotta be one else everybody would be using this unit. I also noticed they don't give a SNR.
is this the reason it's cheap?
cause the DAC and ADC box got SNR's (which are 120 ) that should sell like the shit cause aark 24 isn't as good as that. i think.
but i'm probably wrong.
that's why i'm asking you.
please?
guhlenn
ola
Newbie
I don't know what the catch is. I have the DSP24 with ADC/DAC2000 and am very happy with it. The two built-in preamps are crap but if you have a mixer or other preamps, it's great. Probably not as good as the very best units available but they have a completly different price tag. All reviews I've read says that the unit is good, especially considering the price.
The converters in the ADC/DAC2000 are the same as in the more expensive ADCIII and DACIII (or so I'm told) but the I/Os are unbalanced so I presume that the SNR is quite a bit lower. A guess is around 90-100.
I am planning on selling my unit and getting the DSP24 mkII and the ADCIII. That setup would give me 8 in with good preamps and 2 balanced outs, all at 24/96. The reason is that I sold my mixer so I need preamps on the ins and only two outs to feed the monitors. I haven gotten it yet because I currently have no computer to stick it in.
I just found a review, check it out. http://www.pcrecording.com/hoontech.htm
As I said, I don't know what the catch is. Perhaps it's just that it's a new brand.
/Ola
The converters in the ADC/DAC2000 are the same as in the more expensive ADCIII and DACIII (or so I'm told) but the I/Os are unbalanced so I presume that the SNR is quite a bit lower. A guess is around 90-100.
I am planning on selling my unit and getting the DSP24 mkII and the ADCIII. That setup would give me 8 in with good preamps and 2 balanced outs, all at 24/96. The reason is that I sold my mixer so I need preamps on the ins and only two outs to feed the monitors. I haven gotten it yet because I currently have no computer to stick it in.
I just found a review, check it out. http://www.pcrecording.com/hoontech.htm
As I said, I don't know what the catch is. Perhaps it's just that it's a new brand.
/Ola
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
hey ola!
i think i've figured it out but i'm not sure...
the DSP24 mkII with ADCIII would give me 8ch of balanced analog in (XLR) and two balanced analog out?
cause that's all i need.
for $850 bucks!!!
no mixer or preamp needed.
but i don't get this:
the ADC has a SNR of 120 dB the DSP24 mkII has a SNR of 100dB. what does this mean? i don't get it. is the lowest value the actual SNR? or the mean or something? do you know?
thanks for showing me hoontech though. i was about to spend loads more of money. Now i wont even have to sell my blood or heart to science...
what a relieve
greetz guhlenn
i think i've figured it out but i'm not sure...
the DSP24 mkII with ADCIII would give me 8ch of balanced analog in (XLR) and two balanced analog out?
cause that's all i need.
for $850 bucks!!!
no mixer or preamp needed.
but i don't get this:
the ADC has a SNR of 120 dB the DSP24 mkII has a SNR of 100dB. what does this mean? i don't get it. is the lowest value the actual SNR? or the mean or something? do you know?
thanks for showing me hoontech though. i was about to spend loads more of money. Now i wont even have to sell my blood or heart to science...
what a relieve
greetz guhlenn
ola
Newbie
I don't know if it's compatible with CE PRO and Sound Forge. It should be but you can never be 100% sure. I've only tried them with n-Track.
The ADCIII has a better SNR than the DSP24 mkII. What this means is that the inputs on the ADCIII has a SNR of 120 while the outs on the DSP24 mkII has only 100. Simply because the converters in the rack box are better than the ones on the card. As the A/D conversion is done in the rack box, the SNR will be higher.
Also, it's cheaper than US$850
The DSP24 mkII costs US$210 and the ADCIII costs US$450. Total= a mere US$660. $800 gets you the DSP24+ADCIII+DACIII. Just remember to add a bit of shipping and tax/import fees to that, I think you'll land below $850 anyway.
/Ola
The ADCIII has a better SNR than the DSP24 mkII. What this means is that the inputs on the ADCIII has a SNR of 120 while the outs on the DSP24 mkII has only 100. Simply because the converters in the rack box are better than the ones on the card. As the A/D conversion is done in the rack box, the SNR will be higher.
Also, it's cheaper than US$850
The DSP24 mkII costs US$210 and the ADCIII costs US$450. Total= a mere US$660. $800 gets you the DSP24+ADCIII+DACIII. Just remember to add a bit of shipping and tax/import fees to that, I think you'll land below $850 anyway. /Ola
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
i got that price from there web-site. it said : order now!
now i know why...
i'm lookin for some reviews but it's hard. i wanna know if the preamps are GOOD. cause everyone is constantly telling me that they are so important.
uhmmm, well, have you got any recordings i can listen to?
cause i'm raving here about that thing so it would be pretty stupid if i'd find out later i didn't like the sound.
thanks guhlenn.
ps. if i bought the DACIII too would that mean upgrading my SNR by 20dB? and would that have a noticeable effect on the audio?
now i know why...
i'm lookin for some reviews but it's hard. i wanna know if the preamps are GOOD. cause everyone is constantly telling me that they are so important.
uhmmm, well, have you got any recordings i can listen to?
cause i'm raving here about that thing so it would be pretty stupid if i'd find out later i didn't like the sound.
thanks guhlenn.
ps. if i bought the DACIII too would that mean upgrading my SNR by 20dB? and would that have a noticeable effect on the audio?
ola
Newbie
The BBS member Bones said in this thread that the preamps were really good but I have not tried them myself. I have a local dealer and will try them before I buy but that will be sometime in the future.
I cannot say whether you (or anyone) will notice the 20dB increase in SNR. Maybe, maybe not. I don't think it would be worth the money though, unless you need the 8 outs. On the other hand, it's "only" a $140 (plus tax etc.) difference so it might be worth getting it just in case you need more in the future.
/Ola
I cannot say whether you (or anyone) will notice the 20dB increase in SNR. Maybe, maybe not. I don't think it would be worth the money though, unless you need the 8 outs. On the other hand, it's "only" a $140 (plus tax etc.) difference so it might be worth getting it just in case you need more in the future.
/Ola
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
i'm just gonna have to try it i guess. one person saying something makes me paranoia... (he works for, he gets money for every item sold!!) being paranoid isn't fun!
i still don't get it though. will the ADCIII SNR of 120dB apply only to th signal; going to what ever you route it to?
and the audio signal to the computer just the cards SNR of 100dB?
help me, be specific i think i can handle it!
(or i hope)
greetz guhlenn
i still don't get it though. will the ADCIII SNR of 120dB apply only to th signal; going to what ever you route it to?
and the audio signal to the computer just the cards SNR of 100dB?
help me, be specific i think i can handle it!
(or i hope)
greetz guhlenn
ola
Newbie
The 120dB is the SNR of the DACIII outputs. If you route that through some really noisy power amp, you'll loose it but you have 120dB to start out with. If you only have say 70dB to start with, then that's your maximum - regardless of the quality of the power amp.
>and the audio signal to the computer just the cards SNR of 100dB?
Please clarify.
/Ola
>and the audio signal to the computer just the cards SNR of 100dB?
Please clarify.
/Ola
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
first: thanks for answering all of my questions.
now basically what i meant is:
if the sound cards SNR is crap will it matter if the ADC/DACIII has good SNR?
now i forgot to add: the quality of the RECORDING is my main concern. not the output to monitors. so will having an
ADCIII help getting better RECORDED materialas opposed to the ADC2000?
I thought so but i'm confused right now.
The DAC (with the 8 outputs) does not have a effect on the recording then , right? (well not direct anyway, i know you will argue that lesser monitor sound will resolve in poorer recordings but leave this aside please.)
greetz guhlenn
now basically what i meant is:
if the sound cards SNR is crap will it matter if the ADC/DACIII has good SNR?
now i forgot to add: the quality of the RECORDING is my main concern. not the output to monitors. so will having an
ADCIII help getting better RECORDED materialas opposed to the ADC2000?
I thought so but i'm confused right now.
The DAC (with the 8 outputs) does not have a effect on the recording then , right? (well not direct anyway, i know you will argue that lesser monitor sound will resolve in poorer recordings but leave this aside please.)
greetz guhlenn
ola
Newbie
Your right. It was my mistake - I misread ADC in your last post.
The A/D SNR that you need to be concerned with is the one of the ADCIII, as that's where the conversion takes place. The same goes for the DACIII. You're not using the "lesser" inputs/outputs on the card itself. The signalling to/from the rack box(es) is simply some data format.I wouldn't call an SNR of 100dB crap though
Getting the ADCIII rather than the ADC/DAC2000 will yield better recording results. The A/D converter are the same but the surrounding electronics such as preamp and balanced inputs are better on the ADCIII.
The DAC has no effect on the recording. (apart from what you mentioned...) The DSP24 mkII has all the outputs you need.
Let me know if it made no sense, I'm really tired
/Ola
The A/D SNR that you need to be concerned with is the one of the ADCIII, as that's where the conversion takes place. The same goes for the DACIII. You're not using the "lesser" inputs/outputs on the card itself. The signalling to/from the rack box(es) is simply some data format.I wouldn't call an SNR of 100dB crap though
Getting the ADCIII rather than the ADC/DAC2000 will yield better recording results. The A/D converter are the same but the surrounding electronics such as preamp and balanced inputs are better on the ADCIII.
The DAC has no effect on the recording. (apart from what you mentioned...) The DSP24 mkII has all the outputs you need.
Let me know if it made no sense, I'm really tired
/Ola
guhlenn
Oh REALLY????
okay!
i got the price (the dealer was REALLY friendly) i suspect them of not having so many clients
i'll check one out when i get the chance...
i'll let you know
price is pretty decent too: in dollar it would be $900
hey wait a minute...
i'm being ripped off here!
were did you sayi could get it for like $600?
greetz guhlenn
i got the price (the dealer was REALLY friendly) i suspect them of not having so many clients
i'll check one out when i get the chance...
i'll let you know
price is pretty decent too: in dollar it would be $900
hey wait a minute...
i'm being ripped off here!
were did you sayi could get it for like $600?
greetz guhlenn
ola
Newbie
You can get the DSP24 mkII and the ADCIII for US$660 here. However, add at least $50 in shipping and also sales tax to that. http://www.thomann.de/index.html?partner_id=97926 has the DSP24+ADC/DAC2000 and maybe you can get them to import the stuff. That would cut the shipping a bit and you would of course not have to pay additional sales tax.
/Ola
/Ola
ola
Newbie
Try checking the prices in Sweden. The DSP24+ADC/DAC2000 costs equivalent to US$700 in the local store and the DSP24 mkII+ADCII would cost equivalent to US$1200. Why do you think I shop on-line?
I think that US$900 for the second setup above is a fair price. Not the cheapest but about what it would cost for me if I ordered from the Korean company. However, we have a 25% sales tax, which does nast things to imported goods
To get a rough estimate, add US$50 for shipping to the Korean company's prices and then add the Nederland's sales tax to that.
You can check this British company as well. I don't know what the British V.A.T is but I'm guessing at 17%. http://www.sescomputers.com/
Cheers
/Ola
I think that US$900 for the second setup above is a fair price. Not the cheapest but about what it would cost for me if I ordered from the Korean company. However, we have a 25% sales tax, which does nast things to imported goods
To get a rough estimate, add US$50 for shipping to the Korean company's prices and then add the Nederland's sales tax to that. You can check this British company as well. I don't know what the British V.A.T is but I'm guessing at 17%. http://www.sescomputers.com/
Cheers
/Ola