32-Bit Recording?

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Mountainmirrors

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Hi -
I don't see an option to record in 24 bit in CEP. Just 16 and 32.
So I'm assuming 32 is superior quality compaired to 16.
Can I just use 32 all the way through to mixdown and off to mastering?
If not, how can I change it to 24 at mixdown?
Or does it need it to be 16 bit to burn to disc?
 
Do everything in 32-bit (it's called 32-bit float). Then, before you go to burn the CD, do "batch file convert" (in the file menu) 'cause you need to convert everyhting to 16 bit to burn a CD. So yes, all files must be 16 before going on a CD.

Hope this helps.
 
"Then, before you go to burn the CD, do "batch file convert" (in the file menu) 'cause you need to convert everyhting to 16 bit to burn a CD."

Or, in Edit View, click Edit>Convert Sample Type.
 
32-bit is really 24-bit with an extra word used internally by the s/w for additional precision during DSP.... the end result is still a 24-bit file as far as the system or extrenal s/w is concerned.
 
Heh heh heh..Not entirely true Bruce when it comes to external software. Since Bruce doesn't know this little tid bit of info here is the scoop. how could he have known?

While I can move 32 bit floaters between wavelab 4, CD arch 5.0... T-Racks 24 does not recognize 32bit files. I tested it, you actually have to bounce the 32 float to a 24 fixed before Old t-rex can fingure it out. I haven't tried with N-Track but Im sure it will work just fine. Its another tale in the legacy of T-Racks. I only use T-Rack for popping out a 5 minute ref disc on heavy stuff where the "Gentle Master" preset works. Then I scribble all over the disc with notes to make sure anyone who tries to send it out for duplication can't...no duplicator in their right mind would look at one of these and not make some calls ;) Buyer beware.

Bruce,
Not know this information is similar to not knowing what herpes is like. Your glad its not your problem, your glad someone else got T-Racks..er... herpes..the clap...STD's ;)
I just want you to know..Im happy your clean!:p


But I did discover..
The Wavelab 4 and CD Architect 5.0 is a great combination. My plextor registration file got corrupted so I couldn't burn to it, I have a friend who gave me his CD Arch 5.0 to help me out in a pinch..All the edits had been done wave lab so I just popped them in and it took me alot less time to do fades and cross fades and the limiter was smoother sounding to me than the stock wavelab.

SoMm
 
well that's interesting... you're right - I didn't know that --- so at least there's some interfacing for 32-bit files between at least some s/w.... but I don't think that changes the fact that it's really a 24-bit word-size, cloaked in a 32-bit "shell"!

BTW - that's what you get for using T-Racks, even minimally! :p
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
well that's interesting... you're right - I didn't know that --- so at least there's some interfacing for 32-bit files between at least some s/w.... but I don't think that changes the fact that it's really a 24-bit word-size, cloaked in a 32-bit "shell"!
Click to expand...
oh ..yes its a fact alright.
Kinda encouraging to know that you can at least do a certain amount of file sharing between CEP, Steinberg and Sonic Foundry. CD Architect 5 loads the 32bit file and tells you its a 24 bit, in Wavelab you can import a CEP file thats 32 bit and look on the bit meter and yup..its 24 bit. Im not sure whether PT recognizes these because it can be tag sensitive.

How many DAW people monitor a 16 bit file while processing in 24 bit file?

SoMm
 
"you actually have to bounce the 32 float to a 24 fixed before Old t-rex can fingure it out" -Son of Mixerman

Ok, so do you need to apply dither when this is done? I know I've asked this before on another thread, but I seem to get a differnt answer from everyone.
 
No -- a 32-bit (by internal representation) file is actually a 24-bit representation as far as the rest of your gear is concerned, so no dithering!

The only time you dither is going to 16-bit from higher word-sizes (such as 20 or 24-bit digital signals).
 
Son of Mixerman and Blue Bear Sound are both right.

But back to his original question. He's asking where is the option to save as 24bit.
Ok Mountainmirrors when you go to save your 32bit file, in the "save as" dialogue box down next to the help button there is an options button. Its in here where you set the 24bit type sampling rate. Use the 24bit packed int (type 1, 24bit).
Any mastering facility will be able to read this.
Its so easy to not see this button. Many people have asked this question. Understandably. Its the options button there after.

Scott.
 
What if my soundcard can only record 24bit/96khz....

Can I still record a 32-bit float file in CEP?
 
This seems SO difficult for people to understand......

...when your recording s/w is using 32-bits to store your sound, it's still ONLY a 24-bit recording. The recording is simply wrapping that into a larger wordsize to accommodate the mathematical precision needed for digital processing. It's a technique to retain as much resolution of the 24-bit signal as possible.

It is STILL ONLY a 24-bit recording though..... there is no such thing as a 32-bit/96kHz recording (except as an internal representation to recording s/w)
 
Blue Bear Sound, right on again but I personally still think it could have been made a little more obviouse by cool edit. Their instruction manuals and help files do not explain what 32bit is all about. And my biggest beef still is how easy it is to not pick up on the options button in the save as dialogue box.
If cooledit explained the whole 32bit thing and how to save a 24bit file then people wouldn't keep asking the same old question. Its easy to get anoyed by this subject poping up all the time but I do see there point. Everything in cooledit is nice and simple. Except they should make the bits thing a little easier to understand. We all explained it very simply. Cooledeit should as well.

Watch. I bet we see this again ,in say, about two weeks from now. Lets see.
 
I'm not annoyed...!

I realize that it isn't explained well at all in virtually any recording s/w manual!

(and it isn't an intuitive concept either, so I know exactly why people get confused...!)

But I did think we had explained it clearly in this thread so far, so I was surprised at the question coming up here, again!

;)
 
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