2nd try (band im tracking-Metal)

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thanks again for all the replys and comments

Jacobs- the band is called Wireneck, were from statesboro, Ga (hole in the wall town) not much of anything to do around here so we play music. Unfortunately its a style that most people around here have never heard of or are willing to try and appreciate. We have a few more tracks for our new demo that aren't completely finished yet but i will definantly be posting them once they are. Thanks again for the praise and comments.

M. Brane- thanks for your comments, if you don't mind me asking id like to know what your monitoring on. Im just curious because it was pointed out above that the snare was getting buried in the heavier double bass part but you think its too loud? What exactly do you mean by the bass should give up some bandwidth to the guitars? Your comments are appreciated and ill definantly give it a shot if you explain a little better. Thanks
 
My setup is as follows:

Mains- Carver PM 1.5 amp driving Altec 12" 3-ways of unknown vintage. My best guess is these speakers were made in the early to mid '70's. They're sealed boxes, and roll off pretty steep at about 40hz. They image OK, but the mids & highs on these are pretty accurate for "stereo" speakers, and I know them well after over 10 years.

Mid- Harman Kardon A-401 amp driving JBL HLS810's (8" 2-ways. Just imagine a Mackie 824 with a square waveguide). Rolled-off highs, scooped mids, hyped upper bass, but image pretty well. Typical modern home stereo speakers. Sound much better with the rear-firing ports plugged.;)

Near- Home-made Auratones also driven by the Harmon-Kardon. Generic 4" full-range drivers in sealed 6" square MDF boxes. No extension, peaky in the upper mids, but very accurate imageing.

What I mean by the bass giving up bandwidth to the guitars is I think the bass occupies too much of the low-mids, and the guitars not enough.

Does that make sense?:D
 
wow...

i shouldn't have asked lol. That sounds like a nice setup you have there. Your 1000+ post is pretty much enough evidence for me to take your word haha. So your saying i should maybe cut some of the low mids on the bass? Any specific freq?
Im really starting to get burned out on trying to get this mix right. Ill give it another shot tomorrow and see what happens. thanks again
 
Dude the mix sounds amazing. I'm excited to hear what's next from you guys. I also was wondering, what is your technique for recording vocals? Specifically what type of pre do you use and how do you process them?

Thanks
 
Re: wow...

Wireneck said:
So your saying i should maybe cut some of the low mids on the bass? Any specific freq?
Im really starting to get burned out on trying to get this mix right. Ill give it another shot tomorrow and see what happens. thanks again
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If your getting burned out on the mix you should probably put it down for a while. Once you lose your perspective on tweaking a mix, you will do more harm than good. Sometimes it's a good idea to work on something else for a while then come back to it later if you have that option.

The frequency range I'm talking about is roughly 250 to 350-400. The bass seemed a bit hot in that range, and the guitars a bit lacking. In most metal the guitars take up most of the low mids, and the bass fills in the bottom. On a lot of metal mixes the bass is almost like a low-end extension of the guitars. Try it out and see if you dig it. Just save a copy of your mix before making the tweaks in case you disagree.;)
 
Linchpin- the pres for the vocals are just the pres in my alesis studio 32 (which prob aren't the best things but they get the job done). The vocals for this song were all tracked with an At-3035 and were compressed a good bit with a presonus compressor. As far as the reverb/delay stuff its all tweaked settings on a behringer virtualizer pro and an alesis no no verb.
M.brane- im uploading one more mix as im typing this, i tried to implement some of the things you suggested. Ill post a link as soon as its finished uploading.
 
forgot to mention...

im on dialup and the file is encoded at 192kbs, gonna be a while for the upload lol.
 
I'm impressed. It's a dense mix but it seems to me everything has it's space. Drums are killer. Even the Cookie Monster vox.:cool: . Great mix.
 
thanks trackrat your praise is greatly appreciated. Sorry if i sound retarded but what exactly do you mean by "the mix is dense" someone else said this same thing in an earlier post. Is this a bad thing?
Ok here is the 3rd mix i did, i guess i will let you guys choose between this one and the 2nd (no one really had any problems with this one other than small things). Ive got to decide on one for now at least because its time to start tracking the vocals for the next song.



so which one is it going to be?
 
i THINK THEY WERE REFERING TO DENSE AS IN , SONICALLY YOU ARE USING UP ALOT OF SPACE. tHICK, UTILIZING LOTSOF FREQUENCIES, WHICH IS A MUST FOR THIS MUSICAL STYLE. DENSE IS GOOD HERE.
 
Hey I like mix 3 too.

Everyone listen to all 3. I think this song and its 3 incarnations are great examples of balancing low frequency instruments such as bass, bass drum, and in this case a guitar in drop D tuning.

What I noticed the most is how your kick sounds consistantly better from mix to mix. By balancing out the bass you really opened up some space sonically for the kick to sit better in the mix.

The bass is heard less in the thick sections, but still remains heard although now well blended, but still with a good bit of presence in the snare/chorus guitar section.

Good Job man. This shows some mixing skills when you can actually improve a mix soo much. It also means next mix you do your ear will cue in on some of these things and you'll harldy have to ask any questions next time.

Did you use your new EV635a on any of this?

Beez
 
thanks beezoboy

my ears were telling me that mix 3 was the one but i wanted to see what others thought first. I appreciate all the help that you and everyone else gave me on this song.
Havent gotten a chance to use the EV-635a on anything of ours yet (wireneck). The instruments for this song were tracked a while back. Canvas Solaris is supposed to be coming to do another song or two, im sure it will see some use there and we have one more song for our new 4 song demo that needs to be tracked. It will more than likely see some use there. You haven't found a mic clip that will fit that mic yet have you? None of the ones i have are small enough. Ive been using masking tape but that gets pretty annoying, any ideas?
 
New mix sounds killer. Everything in it's place, and punchy too. I can hear the guitars better now, but they're not too loud. The bass is still there, but now in more of a supportive role as it should be in metal.

Print it!:cool:
 
thanks M. brane

im definantly satisfied with the 3rd version. Thanks for pointing out the last few things it needed to really open up. I don't know what i would do without this site (prob have krappy mixes lol).
 
Ya this rocks. I like it a lot.

The melodic vocal almost might as well not be there, IMO, unless you can find a way to clarify it. It's the least quality sounding element I think. Maybe it just needs a better mic. There's no detail, and I think it needs some. Low mid cut (approx. 400-550Hz) and a level boost perhaps?

The guitars sound awesome. Drums wore me out in a good way.

And I could even make out some of the words too.

This is excellent. And I don't mean "excellent...for metal."
 
Sluice-thanks for your input, i think im pretty much satisfied with the 3rd mix of this song and probably will be using that one. Ill take your comments about the melodic vocal into consideration when i start work on the next song.
"This is excellent. And I don't mean "excellent...for metal "-thanks, as i said in an earlier post, we don't get alot of praise around here (our hometown) it is greatly appreciated.

Freudian SLip-thanks for listening
 
metal mix 2

over all all the elments are there. I agree with most the cymbols are tinny but what im hearing is mud in the toms bass and kick. also the statment on the bass being a low end exstention of the guitars thats speed metal dude this is popish metal. id bring the break down at 2:01 up more make it stand out more cause its short and that would add momentium you can eliminate the mud of the toms by spreading the mix a lil more spread the toms a lil more find where they lock and avoid everything else another thing you could try is to bost 800 to 1000hz on the bass and extend the very extreme low where the bass is more a filler then an instrument wich is very popular in popish metal anyway this is a very tight mix awsome work. just my 2 cents for whats it worth lol that was for the second mix im slow lol
 
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