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Whats so special about the MPC 2000 (also whats the opinion on MPC 60 vs 2000/XL vs asrx)

Its not that advanced as a sampler, and if your using cubase or something comparable, what advantage does the mpc have over something w/better filters and effects (asrx) or all this an more (emu or akai rack sampler)?

Question 2, I already have a kurzweil k2600 w/no
sampling and I think I jumped in too far. I want to simplify and get cheaper and the like. Id hate to sell it but the sampling option is another 600 dollars unless someone knows where to get one cheap. Then Id need a turntable, and this still doesnt solve the problem of how complicated the instrument is.

For just making hip hop (Automator, RZA, Company Flow, Solesides, Outkast)and hip hop jazz (the Roots), is all the bells and whistles of the k2600 really needed? I am looking for any and all suggestions. Id have about 3000 dollars to work with IF I sold it (still not sure) and Id like something that I could make beats on with a hardware/computer software recording setup. Thinking of like a controller keyboard maybe a S80, Z1 or Virtual analog and then an emu or akai sampler, possibly an asrx or mpc. Of course I could look into the ASR10. Look I know the K is wonderful but its also expensive and complicated. So far Ive had less than satisfying results at making lo fi drum kits, hard hitting 808s and basses etc. I dont know. I want to make dope hip hop but I want to makesure Im not wasting my money on a supercomplicated ax better suited for something else.

Peace
 
Whatever you do, DO NOT buy the ASR-X PRO. It is not constructed properly. (I will expound some more, later on today.)


spin
 
anyone have some more feedback? Id like to get a good setup that Id use with a computer running cubase or logic or sonar. Want the main control device to be a keyboard, need good synth sounds, strings pianos electric pianos and organs and hip hop drums (lo fi gritty and 808/909's) hard basses. Plus a way of getting samples from my record/cd collection and messing with them. (probably wont sample loops ala puffy but I might mess around with it a little, thinking of sampling Mahler...) Is k2600 the best possible solution for this. Im not sure because I dont really need its sequencer since Ill be doing this on the computer, pluss I dont need any live playing options, which it definently has, and really, its synthesis is probably also more than I need for now. Like I said, My fav producers are Automator, Kurt, Roots, Beatnuts, Outkast, Solesides (shadow), J Rawls Hitek yada yada, pete rock primo. I like em all. Prince Paul.
 
DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE

I HAVE THE ASR X PRO AND I LIVE BY IT. PEOPLE THAT OWN THE MPC THAT HAS USED MY ASR LIKES IT ALSO. I DO MOST OF MY SAMPLES THRU A DAW BUT I LOVE THE ASR
 
Ok. Let me break it down.

Either I keep the kurz and learn the hell out of it and buy the sampling option. (anyone know where I can get it cheap?) or I sell it and buy a different setup. What are my options? 43 views Im sure someone knows something about this. Problems I forsee with keeping the kurz.

1.Its very complicated and I am a beginner to electronic music.
2.To the best of my knowledge it was not really designed for loop based recording or hip hop production.
3.ITs complicated and its complicated synthesis might be more than I need for hip hop but Ill see about that.
4.It has lots of features that I dont need designed for live playing

Plusses
1.All in one solution I hope. I would only keep the kurz IF I could use it with the sampling option, a sequencing recording software and a soundcard to make good tracks. One more time. tracks like El-P and Automater etc ec (see above) (I know I gotta dig)

Dont mean to sound rude but I need help.
 
I would say ditch the Kurtz. Get a multi timbral sampler(I use an akai s2000), a controller key board, and some sequencing software. Those basics will out do an MPC any day. Sequencing software is very user freindly(as is the MPC), but you can do more faster with sofware then most hardware sequencers.

Throw in a wave editor to chop samples(chopping em in a wave editor kills choppin em on a sampler), and a sound module or two and it doesn't get much better for creating than that, in my opinion.
 
up. thinking about getting a sampler like the akai. Whatabout synth sounds, pianos, strings, electric pianos? Maybe a rack sampler, a controller with good accoustic sounds and then a synth module like the nord micro modular or something. For hip hop, is a VA good enough for the basses? What kind of compressors should I look into or are VST/Sonar ones good enough. BTW.. VST or Sonar?
 
cBas said:
BTW.. VST or Sonar?
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I think, when it comes to software, it is mearly a matter of taste(when choosing between the top runners). Compressors, for music mostly performed by modules, I think all you need is software compressors.
 
JUSTTIGHT, I have to somewhat disagree with you. I think that IF the ASR-X-PRO was constructed better (meaning it's housing and components) it would be a good machine. However, I do not think or feel that "structure-wise", that's the case. :( , please excuse the pun.

peace... :)

spin
 
I'd say, sell the kurzweil, and get a rack sampler, I recommend AKAI samplers, a sound module, and a controller keyboard. The best price/performance module is probably the Roland JV-1010. Then use a software sequencer. I use Cubase, an MPC-3000, Roland JV-1080 sound module and a Korg Trinity keyboard.
 
The JV1010 is not worth it......Definetly better to spend a little extra and get something better. I say you can't go wrong w/ the Trinity rack if you can find one.
 
what`s so special

O.K. what`s so special?It`s the sequencer the MPC has,the 2000`s basicaly have the s2000 sampler in them,the 3000 has the s3000(I think xl)in them.What makes it is the ability to sequence your samples with a drum pattern along with other things of course(routing through 8 individual outputs only through that 8 out`s option that you have to pay more for,the nice drum pad`s which my SP-1200 could use,waveform editing,and also another option effects)Point blank.......it`s what everyone is using,that`s the big reason.Hip-Hop is a beautiful artform but many have limited it by only using certain equipment to give it an undenieable sound...........The asr10,sp-1200,mpc series(2000,2000xl,3000,mpc60....)of course some good turntables for cuttin and scratchin and mostly the sm-57 mic for vocals.I myself have an sp-1200,Triton,Turntables some finalizing equipment and a small but very good fd-4 digital recorder and cd burner oh yeah my presonis mp-20 mic pre which is very good for $500.00 bucks.What you should do is research your equipment,you say you have that Kurzwel 2600,why would you get rid of it?Today in Hip-Hop many peices of equipment is being used unlike back in the day things are steadily changing,what seperates us in the music we make is originalty,sometimes I think my beats sounded better when I just had an SP-1200 running it through my home stereo,when people are limited people become creative,then again when creative people get around capability`s they`ve never had access to they go crazy.My advice keep your Kurzwel get an MPC 2000xl or 3000 limited edition if you can find one and let your emotions control your creativity.
Peace!
 
Well the kurzweil was a very expensive investment for a beginner such as myself. (done classical and jazz for years on piano and trombone, real new to electronic music) Ive been reading the manual but still, its deep. And I dont even have the sampling option. Im pretty certain I will sell it.

I want something that will let me sample and get both crisp clean sounds and gritty, lo fi sounds. Plus a nice synth engine for phat bass lines and the like. My latest thought... an emax for the lo fi stuff, a mo phatt or proteus or JV sound module, software sequencer, a software sampler for the clean samples, and a controller keyboard, possibly also an mpc 60. I heard that the mpc is really special because its sequencer is so "funky" not sure if an mpc is really what I need though since Ill probably use sonar. Is it true sonar can use vst plugins, and it integrates with giga sampler well? Any thoughts on this especially software samplers and how they stack up to akai emu and kurzweil? Plus would i need something like soundforge or does giga sampler/other software samplers have good editing/mangling? Man ive got Ideas in my head but its so frustrating getting the music to come through my kurz.
 
I just told you!

I just told you what to get!If you want that crisp sound yet dirty get the MPC and keep your Kurz,I know it`s a complex peice.My first synth was a Korg Triton and I`ve had it for over a year and I`m just understanding it now.You don`t need to sample on a board like that be original and sample with the MPC.2000,2000xl,3000 MPC60 which ever one you get you`ll understand why I said keep your Kurzweil.The MPC series are percussion samplers and do not have internal sounds they sample that`s what they do so keep those quality sounds in your Kurzweil and get an MPC!Trust me everything in this business is an adventure in the neverending world of audio!Your gonna have to learn it sometime the MPC`s won`t be easier just different.Keep your face in that manual and create young grasshopper create!
 
No that wouldnt be feasable. Too much money. Could someone tell me how these pieces were made?

1.Any song from Dr Octagon Cd
2.Any song from the Deltron CD (I like Automator)
3.Kool Keith Sex style song I like how aggressive and Dark it sounds
4.Company Flow stuff
5.DJ Shadow, all samples but how.. mp3?
6.oldschool Dre Snoop NWA songs

Im looking for a solution trhat would enable me to make these above songs (well ones with the same quality/vibe/feel to them. Is the kurzweil with the sampling option, lots of vinyl and a software sequencer/recorder capable of doing this? Also I heard I can get the sampling option for 200 if I know where to look. Is this true?
 
Again I told you!

You wanna know what company flow dr.dre kool keith use? A MPC ,dre use`s the mpc60,3000 and SP-1200.Kool Keith use`s an ASR-10,Mpc3000.........Get the sampling option on your Kurzweil;(I don`t know about 200 bucks)and get the MPC o.k.?Once you get the same peices these other cats use that doesn`t mean you`ll make shit that sounds like theirs that will just mean you have the same capabilties,everyone has their own vibe ......find yours!
 
Re: what`s so special

sleep said:
O.K. what`s so special?It`s the sequencer the MPC has,the 2000`s basicaly have the s2000 sampler in them,the 3000 has the s3000(I think xl)in them.What makes it is the ability to sequence your samples with a drum pattern along with other things of course(routing through 8 individual outputs only through that 8 out`s option that you have to pay more for,the nice drum pad`s which my SP-1200 could use,waveform editing,and also another option effects)Point blank.......it`s what everyone is using,that`s the big reason.
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I've never really worked on an MPC, but I'm skeptical about it. I really don't see what you can do w/ an MPC that you can't do w/ a sampler and sequencing software. The fact that it is what everyone is using doesn't motivate me. Sleep, please point out what is better on the MPC vs. a sampler and sequencing software.
 
here it is

Basicaly it`s a sampler,waveform editing,truncation,time slice,effects(with the option of course that`s extra).As far as the difference,well the older machines like the MPC60 has 12 bit sound which has been that dirty grimy Hip-Hop sound since Marley Marl even before that.That`s also why the SP-1200 is widely used in Hip-Hop production.But as far as the MPC`s of today basicaly it`s a sampler but you control your samples through triggers so to say,the drum pads on the MPC makes it easy to get that snap in your drums,plus it quantizes for you.You can set it on 4/4 then to Hi res back to 4/4/ or 4/16.So that you can get that swing to your beats goin.It`s a sampling percussion machine,and that`s what it is,but as I said before it`s what everyones using.Cbas has a Kurzweil 2600(a flagship keyboard)and with a MPC in his arsenal he would be able to just direct those sounds through that MPC and let the MPC be the sequencer which the 2000 xl is a 32 polyphony for a 64 track seq. 300,000 note seq capacity, time-stretch, re-sample, note variation slide, velocity sensitive..... Not much for efx, unless you buy the board; other expansions- smpte, 8 outs + digital i/o. What I really like about this machine is the real time and step record, time correct, and sample editing.Anyway I hope this answers your question,peace!
 
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