12 string DSP modeling

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What DSP or modeling simulation can take a 6 string strat or any guitar and make it sound like a 12string Rickenbacker?

12 string rickenbackers are really pricy for me so i'm trying to find a DSP modeling to come close which ones does this please?
 
Maybe some kind of pitch shift effect? I don't know if that would give realistic/good sounding results.

I'd say a high strung guitar mixed with a normal 6 string would give a good (or even better) effect.

Good luck, walters. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, its gonna be tough finding something that actually does a good job of emulating a 12 string Ric... as was mentioned, you could record a guitar part, and then capo at 12 (if you're playing a strat I believe this is possible), and re-play the part. As for the Rickenbacker tone, I wouldn't know where to start in terms of emulators, I've never heard an even halfway decent one.

The problem with octave pedals is that they bump everything you play up an octave (if that's the setting you have turned on). On a Rickenbacker 12 (or any 12-string, I guess), I believe its the high three sets of strings that consist of one normal-tuned, and one tuned an octave up, and the bottom three sets are all tuned to the standard octave. So, you don't end up getting a muddy sound from the lower strings... with an octave pedal, you would be doubling the bottom-end up an octave as well, and that can make your sound thicker in the midrange, and a bit muddier. However, I've heard some decent octave pedals... ElectroHarmonix makes some good stuff, but it is a little pricey. I'd say hit a local guitar place and try out what they have.
 
yea im surprised no ones has modeled this type of sound

But thanks alot guys for the help
 
Man, that's a steal for such a hot item. Especially from a quality company like Behringer ;)
 
Working with a chorus pedal and delay should help you simulate a 12-string sound. I used to have a DOD Acoustic One multiFX unit years ago that had a great 12-string simulation setting. It's possible to do it with stomp boxes but takes a lot of trial and error to get it and then you have to practically make a drawing to remember how the knobs were set.

If it is really that important, browse the owner's manuals for multiFX units to see which ones offer a 12-string sim as one of the factory settings. Then go to your local music store that sells that unit--plug in and check the settings to see what algorithms they're playing with to achieve the effect.
 
Fake 12-String MP3

I was curious, so I gave it a (very quick) try and this is what I came up with.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=AD19742F5CCC48E6

Didn't spend any time on it really, just used doubled the track, and applied a pitch shift of +1200 cents to one of them, and turned it down and panned it about +10 - 20R.

I'm not sure if 1200 cents is the correct number to use, and a small part of it sounds off, but maybe with some time you can get a pretty convincing sound.

Edit: If someone knows the correct number for cents to use, please tell me. And is there a calculator for calculating the number of cents to use depending on how many semitones you want to raise/lower the pitch?
 
My Roland Vg-88 does a good 12 string rick straight out of the box, and with a little tweaking is much better.

Problem is that it's not cheap, and I believe it works only with a synth enabled guitar (never tried it straight in on that patch ... hmmm).

Will try tomorrow and let you know - maybe a quick clip too, so you can hear it.
 
Use the octave transpose on a Lexicon MPX unit (MPX500/550/200).

Then add chorus to taste (50ms delay + little modulation).
 
walters speaks too well these days. hey man you need to stop going to English class, it was more fun when you could barely put a real sentence together!
 
I agree with Kenny, but a Variax will do the trick in a pinch. Or double track and use a high strung six.
 
When I need a thicker acoustic effect, I double track the guitar. If the first track is in A, then I place capo in the 2nd fret and play second track in G. This way I'm not using "electronic" effects, but using a small condenser creating a more natural sound. If first track is in E, capo 2 and play in D on 2nd, and so on.
 
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