1010lt (IRQ conflict?)

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So I physically install the delta, uninstall the modem (PCI) disable the onboard sound, etc...
The only PCI remaining (other that the delta 1010lt) is a turtle beach video capture card.

I go to playback a song (windoze media 9.0 I think) and it is skipping and popping EXCESSIVELY!

So I go into device manager and disable the turtle beach PCI card. Voila!

Is there any hope for using the two PCI cards at the same time?

Does the turtle beach need to be moved to another slot (I have three slots and two PCI cards)?

I couldn't find anything in my BIOS about PCI slots...

Thanks in advance, and yes I did try to search for this first :o :D


*EDIT* Oh yes, in "device manager" there is/was an exclaimation mark next to the turtle beach device. I disabled/uninstalled the turtle beach device and audio played normally.
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WHAT DOES IT MEAN? :D :confused:
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It is more likely a problem with the PCI Latency Timer of the two devices.

There is a application called PowerStrip that you should try that will most likely solved your problem.

BUT, you should read up on what PCI Latency Timer is and realize what problems might arise from adjusting it.

In a nutshell, all devices that pass through the PCI buss are allotted "time" on the buss (that is the "latency" time). Some devices hog the buss for too long, which others may not have enough time on the buss. Video cards are notorious for hogging the buss for too long (and I suppose video capture cards! Although, a video capture card may NEED to have the buss for longer because of the immense amount of data that it needs to pass through!).

PowerStrip allows you to adjust devices on the PCI buss (devices that ALLOW the latency timer to be adjusted! not all do!!!) to have more and/or less time on the buss.

Whether you USE a card or not, it it is installed and ready for use, it WILL take it's time on the PCI buss even though it doesn't do anything.

What MIGHT be the problem/solution is that your video capture card is taking too much time on the buss. You could simply adjust it to take less time on the buss, BUT, when you need to use that card, IT might have problems transferring all the data it needs to. You won't know until you play around with the settings in PowerStrip.

The "demo" of PowerStrip is full functioning, and only has a "nag window" when you first turn it on. Every 3 boot or so, the nag screen stays on another second (annoying!). The application is cheap, so if it works for you, you might consider buying it. Or, you can venture into the underworld of software and try to find the stuff you need for what I call the "lifetime demo". ;)

Good luck.
 
you should be able to click on both devices in hardware setup and look at what IRQs each card is using.

With a yellow exclimation mark like you discribed it's likely both cards are sharing the same interupt request. You should be able to manualy change the IRQ of either one of the devices without switching out slots....that would be the easy fix option
 
The sharing IRQ's has about a .01% chance of being the problem. Most devices share IRQ's just fine these days.
 
Ford Van said:
The sharing IRQ's has about a .01% chance of being the problem. Most devices share IRQ's just fine these days.
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With no refference to what kind of, or what age of computer setup and the mention of the yellow exclimation I would still make that the first thing I checked.

You're right, chances are slim. But it's easy and fast to check instead of searching and reading up on IRQ latency and other stuff one might be totaly clueless about..

Hope you get it fixed soon, Cellar
 
my 1010lt was a little bit of a pain to get going in my machine. i did have to get it on it's on irq. i disabled everything that i was'nt using, in the bios. then i started swapping my 1010lt to different pci slots. swapping slots got it working for me. if you have'nt read it yet, check out:

http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=80d7b56e35ea51e73104295aec1f755b

you probably will have to try different pci slots with your turtle beach card.

good luck
 
It might be an IRQ conflict, but it could be a DMA or memory conflict.
Try changing the settings in Device Manager for your turtle beach card. You might be able to change those things. That would probably be the easiest.
Second to that, you can use your bios to force PNP cards to use certain IRQ/memory settings on a per slot basis, but that gets a little more complicated.

Here is what I would do.
Manually remove each device from device manager (both the 1010 and the turtle beach)
Shut your computer down, unplug it, or turn off it's power strip.
Remove both cards.

restart your PC. Once it is up in windows again, shut it down again.
Unplug your PC, or turn off it's power strip.

Put in the 1010. plug in, power up or otherwise start up your PC
windows should detect it and assign it resources with no problems. Check to to be sure the drivers are properly installed, and there are no exclamation points in device manager. test it if you want, at this point.

shut your PC down again. Unplug your it, or turn off it's power strip.
install the turtle beach card. Power up or otherwise start up your PC.

Ideally, windows will recognize that the resources are already used and change the PNP settings on the turtle beach card to settings that don't conflict.

That SHOULD do the trick, if it is a resource conflict.
 
Sorry.
A bit more info might be helpful.

Fortunately, I am at home.
Unfortunately, my son is not willingly taking a nap so that I can venture into the cellar to experiment.

Dell Dimension 2350
XP home
System chip set - Intel 845GL
2.1 Celeron
1 gig of PC2100 (266-MHz) DDR SDRAM (non-ECC)

Far from new, but I didn't think it was antiquated yet :eek:

The Turtle beach card is a "video advantage" I think...
Very useful for transferring VHS to DVD. I don't use it often, but would like to be able to. I suppose I can alternately disable the 1010lt/Turtle beach card to fit my purpose for that day....
Is there any potential for catastrophy in this approach? :confused:

Thanks again fellas!
CD
 
None whatsoever. I'd follow amra's steps. If that doesn't work you can always set up different hardware profiles under device manager. So you just switch profiles instead of going in and disabling one card and enabling another.

Follow amra's steps though, but first uninstal the delta drivers from the control panel, then remove each card from the hardware list....switch off, yank both cards ...reboot......shut down....put the 1010 in, boot up, instal the drivers...shut down.....slot in the turtle beach...reboot, instal the drivers and it should be fine
 
I didn't see Travis and amra's replies before my last response;

I didn't see anything in BIOS related to PCI :confused:
Is it possible my version of BIOS does not allow access to this?

I uninstalled a PCI modem. Is it possible resources are still dedicated to this, which otherwise could be re-dedicated to one of the other two remaining PCI cards? :confused:

I definitely have some experimentation to do.
Thanks guys!

CD
 
LemonTree said:
None whatsoever. I'd follow amra's steps. If that doesn't work you can always set up different hardware profiles under device manager. So you just switch profiles instead of going in and disabling one card and enabling another.

Follow amra's steps though, but first uninstal the delta drivers from the control panel, then remove each card from the hardware list....switch off, yank both cards ...reboot......shut down....put the 1010 in, boot up, instal the drivers...shut down.....slot in the turtle beach...reboot, instal the drivers and it should be fine
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That will be my next course of action :)

Thanks :cool:
 
So I spend all that time typing up a pretty plausible reason why you are having a problem, and you don't even try it.

Good luck man.

BTW, I am not just talking shit here about PCI Latency Timers. I have many times gotten cards to play together much better by adjusting them. If you google the topic, you will see that it is not an uncommon problem.

Download PowerStrip and see if you can get you soundcard and video card to play together. I am about 75% sure the PCI Latency Timer is your problem.
 
hey cellar, i don't know if you have checked out what ford van mentioned about pci latency but i did. i'm curious to give a utility like powerstrip a try on my system, when i get it unpacked.

i found these interesting concerning pci latency:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Oct04/articles/pcnotes.htm

http://www.geocities.com/phileosophos/tech/pcilatency.html

http://mark-knutson.com/t3/

thanks much for the info ford van. i will be giving powerstrip a try on my machine. although my machine runs fine after all the irq crap that i went thru, i'm thinking that none of that irq tweaking was really necessary.

what would be really nice is if there was a utility like powerstrip that was interactive in setting pci latency for devices and a bonus would be including it in the setup process of daw software.
 
Ford Van said:
So I spend all that time typing up a pretty plausible reason why you are having a problem, and you don't even try it.

Good luck man.

BTW, I am not just talking shit here about PCI Latency Timers. I have many times gotten cards to play together much better by adjusting them. If you google the topic, you will see that it is not an uncommon problem.

Download PowerStrip and see if you can get you soundcard and video card to play together. I am about 75% sure the PCI Latency Timer is your problem.
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Oh, sorry about that.
I'll give it a try!
 
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