Who are your favourite composers?

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I dont know if this is the right thread...
But I will start with this....
Paul McCartney...
Simply put the guy is a complete genuis
He is my songwriting hero and just the depth and amount of his output and the range of his work.
He camped out in his farm after the Beatles split with a tape recorder and recorded McCartney playing everything himself.
Created songs like Maybe Im Amazed and My Love all by himself.
The guy is a genius, end of




 
Sorry I think My Love was recorded on the first Wings album. But Paul wrote the song back before that
 
Sir Paul is not a great guitarist. You couldn't pick him out by hearing his playing.
He's not a great keyboard player.
He's not a great singer.
But he does have a great talent for song writing.

My favourite composer would have to be J.S. Bach. There are a bunch of others, but he's the man.
 
If you write a song, or any piece of music the genius folk from any era had the knack of writing a catchy top line, or 'tune'and then putting chords to it that work better than the obvious ones. I've been trying to improve my piano playing, and what struck me was that when people put chords over the music, they're often 'wrong' or too clever. McCartney and others had a tune, but they also frequently had the bass playing it's own bass melody. With guitar chords played on maybe 3 or 4 of the strings these all combine to make new chord sounds - these combining melodies might well be Eb13 from the perspective of what actual notes are sounding, but they're not really - just a chord moving somewhere else. This also works for the rock and rollers who might be using 3 chords tops - add in the other musicians and there are loads of nice flavours. The great songs all do this - a sort of journey that chord names don't quite get. McCartney was very clever at playing notes that run together - like that Blackbird song. When you see him play it, it makes real sense, yet the chords make it look very complicated and clever. I suspect most of the great compositions from baroque time through to today were sounds first, chords written down later. Some great songs, by artists you really don't like are still great songs when you look at them. I don't like Adele - but that song Make you feel my love is one of those where a very common chord progression stands out because of the lowest sort of bass line hidden in the chord progression on the piano. Any bass player hears this and its even predictable until little changes pop up like the "I will never do you wrong" where a chord slaps you in the face.

I don't really have a favourite = just any song that does this kind of thing - Elton John does the same. Maybe Bach and Pachelbel had the same gift for this kind of 'tune writing'?
 
Sir Paul is not a great guitarist. You couldn't pick him out by hearing his playing.
He's not a great keyboard player.
He's not a great singer.
But he does have a great talent for song writing.

My favourite composer would have to be J.S. Bach. There are a bunch of others, but he's the man.
Not a great singer? He’s one of the best rock and roll singers there was. On par with Mercury. His range alone is insane.
 
I think Paul is a very good song writer. He knows how to write a pop song. What I think sets him apart from most other artists, he is one of the greatest producers. He learned from George Martin and George was the person behind the Beatles success (IMO).

Paul Simon, that guy could write some really good songs. Hank Williams, I really like how his songs sound so simple and yet so complex.

When you start talking about the old masters, you really have to appreciate Mozart.

In the later 60's/70's, Ennio Morricone was really a clever composer (I refrain from using the word genius). One of the folks here had a link to the Danish National Symphony Orchestra. Watching them perform his songs live, I came to appreciate the complexity his music. Knowing when he recorded, the music that there was a whole orchestra he was writing for and conducting. Just really a very amazing set of songs from that guy.
 
Sir Paul is not a great guitarist. You couldn't pick him out by hearing his playing.
He's not a great keyboard player.
He's not a great singer.
But he does have a great talent for song writing.

My favourite composer would have to be J.S. Bach. There are a bunch of others, but he's the man.
For the record, J.S. Bach could not sing or play guitar as well as Paul ;-)
 
I don't really believe in musical genius.
I mean, where does one draw the line ? Or even begin it ?
We usually ascribe genius to people whose works we happen to like. A lot.
I don't think Paul McCartney is or ever was a genius. I think he was and is a superb all-rounder. He sings beautifully. He plays a mean guitar, a lovely, musical piano and inventive other keyboards, pretty nifty drums, wonderfully melodic bass guitar and he writes varied, hugely scoped songs and has been doing so for most of his 80 years. He has utilized recording technology brilliantly. He knows how to make all of these elements work and he can dabble nicely in quite a few genres of popular and not-so-popular music.
I could say that about lots of people. I could say it about me {even though I'm not 80}.
I don't honestly see him or anyone else as being any different to a plumber or mechanic or surgeon that has been plying their trade for 65 years. By this point, the surprise would be if he hadn't come up with tremendous songs. In fact, it would've been a surprise if he hadn't come up with great songs before the Beatles were ever signed, because he'd been writing songs for 6 years by 1962.
It's the human way, unless one is walking backwards down the stairs with one's ears and eyes closed.
 
I just watched a great docu about Brian Wilson and the making of Pet Sounds. Capitol did not want to release it.
Sir Paul is a brilliant composer but needed Sir George Martin's production skills in the early days.
Brian both mostly wrote and produced that album with Asher and Mike Love writing lyrics.....that is very impressive.
The engineer came over to England to try and promote the record and Lennon and McCartney were in the same hotel and asked to hear. They both loved it and Paul said God Only Knows was the greatest song he ever heard .
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I don't really believe in musical genius.
I mean, where does one draw the line ? Or even begin it ?
We usually ascribe genius to people whose works we happen to like. A lot.
I don't think Paul McCartney is or ever was a genius. I think he was and is a superb all-rounder. He sings beautifully. He plays a mean guitar, a lovely, musical piano and inventive other keyboards, pretty nifty drums, wonderfully melodic bass guitar and he writes varied, hugely scoped songs and has been doing so for most of his 80 years. He has utilized recording technology brilliantly. He knows how to make all of these elements work and he can dabble nicely in quite a few genres of popular and not-so-popular music.
I could say that about lots of people. I could say it about me {even though I'm not 80}.
I don't honestly see him or anyone else as being any different to a plumber or mechanic or surgeon that has been plying their trade for 65 years. By this point, the surprise would be if he hadn't come up with tremendous songs. In fact, it would've been a surprise if he hadn't come up with great songs before the Beatles were ever signed, because he'd been writing songs for 6 years by 1962.
It's the human way, unless one is walking backwards down the stairs with one's ears and eyes closed.
Maybe its just the whole output and variation of styles. I have written maybe 20 songs in my life, Paul wrote hundreds across many styles, one or two crap but mostly great. I suppose in fairness you could say the same about Burt and Hal or Carole King and Gerry Goffin.
 
There is so much stuff we've never got into, waiting to blow us away.
It would probably takie a few lifetimes to answer this question fully.
 
There is so much stuff we've never got into, waiting to blow us away.
It would probably takie a few lifetimes to answer this question fully.
Totally

You have people like Gil Scott Heron who practically invented rap music in 71 but nobody in the mainstream remembers.

Also... Listen to Lady Day by Gil then listen to the no. 1 hit by Pharrell.... Happy

Hmmm ????
 
Willie Nelson comes to mind as good composer and lyricist. Ahead of his time....some would say.
 
If you write a song, or any piece of music the genius folk from any era had the knack of writing a catchy top line, or 'tune'and then putting chords to it that work better than the obvious ones. I've been trying to improve my piano playing, and what struck me was that when people put chords over the music, they're often 'wrong' or too clever. McCartney and others had a tune, but they also frequently had the bass playing it's own bass melody. With guitar chords played on maybe 3 or 4 of the strings these all combine to make new chord sounds - these combining melodies might well be Eb13 from the perspective of what actual notes are sounding, but they're not really - just a chord moving somewhere else. This also works for the rock and rollers who might be using 3 chords tops - add in the other musicians and there are loads of nice flavours. The great songs all do this - a sort of journey that chord names don't quite get. McCartney was very clever at playing notes that run together - like that Blackbird song. When you see him play it, it makes real sense, yet the chords make it look very complicated and clever. I suspect most of the great compositions from baroque time through to today were sounds first, chords written down later. Some great songs, by artists you really don't like are still great songs when you look at them. I don't like Adele - but that song Make you feel my love is one of those where a very common chord progression stands out because of the lowest sort of bass line hidden in the chord progression on the piano. Any bass player hears this and its even predictable until little changes pop up like the "I will never do you wrong" where a chord slaps you in the face.

I don't really have a favourite = just any song that does this kind of thing - Elton John does the same. Maybe Bach and Pachelbel had the same gift for this kind of 'tune writing'?
When you mentioned chordal structure and voicings in rock music I would just like to say how very much I admired Alex Lifeson as perhaps my greatest rock guitar influence when I was growing up. My dad made my learn on acoustic and try to master right hand finger style and the basics of chord progression and voicings for about two years before I was allowed to have my first electric guitar. I got quite upset as my young friends were getting electrics and little amps. One day I played the Hotel California intro and James Taylor for him and he said ... ok son.. you are ready... he bought me a lovely Kawai double cuttaway which I still have to this day, it weighs a ton .. and a second hand Fender Twin. I saved all my pocket money to buy an Ibanez Analogue Chorus pedal.
Alex was such a tasteful player, developing different chordal structures and using a lot of arpeggiation and great sounds filling the gaps and developing sonic textures without having a dedicated keyboard player in the earlier days of Rush. Not as technicaly proficient as other virtuoso players but a great influence to me.
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If you write a song, or any piece of music the genius folk from any era had the knack of writing a catchy top line, or 'tune'and then putting chords to it that work better than the obvious ones. I've been trying to improve my piano playing, and what struck me was that when people put chords over the music, they're often 'wrong' or too clever. McCartney and others had a tune, but they also frequently had the bass playing it's own bass melody. With guitar chords played on maybe 3 or 4 of the strings these all combine to make new chord sounds - these combining melodies might well be Eb13 from the perspective of what actual notes are sounding, but they're not really - just a chord moving somewhere else. This also works for the rock and rollers who might be using 3 chords tops - add in the other musicians and there are loads of nice flavours. The great songs all do this - a sort of journey that chord names don't quite get. McCartney was very clever at playing notes that run together - like that Blackbird song. When you see him play it, it makes real sense, yet the chords make it look very complicated and clever. I suspect most of the great compositions from baroque time through to today were sounds first, chords written down later. Some great songs, by artists you really don't like are still great songs when you look at them. I don't like Adele - but that song Make you feel my love is one of those where a very common chord progression stands out because of the lowest sort of bass line hidden in the chord progression on the piano. Any bass player hears this and its even predictable until little changes pop up like the "I will never do you wrong" where a chord slaps you in the face.

I don't really have a favourite = just any song that does this kind of thing - Elton John does the same. Maybe Bach and Pachelbel had the same gift for this kind of 'tune writing'?
Thats very interesting Rob.

A simple example of this is a basic Cmajor. If the guitar player stays on the basic Cmaj and the bass player moves to a D natural root note then it creates a lovely Dm11 leading chord into the next passage.
The late Phil Lynnot was a master of using leading and passing chords in rock music... Boys are Back being a good example.
Nice one Rob ????
 
If you write a song, or any piece of music the genius folk from any era had the knack of writing a catchy top line, or 'tune'and then putting chords to it that work better than the obvious ones. I've been trying to improve my piano playing, and what struck me was that when people put chords over the music, they're often 'wrong' or too clever. McCartney and others had a tune, but they also frequently had the bass playing it's own bass melody. With guitar chords played on maybe 3 or 4 of the strings these all combine to make new chord sounds - these combining melodies might well be Eb13 from the perspective of what actual notes are sounding, but they're not really - just a chord moving somewhere else. This also works for the rock and rollers who might be using 3 chords tops - add in the other musicians and there are loads of nice flavours. The great songs all do this - a sort of journey that chord names don't quite get. McCartney was very clever at playing notes that run together - like that Blackbird song. When you see him play it, it makes real sense, yet the chords make it look very complicated and clever. I suspect most of the great compositions from baroque time through to today were sounds first, chords written down later. Some great songs, by artists you really don't like are still great songs when you look at them. I don't like Adele - but that song Make you feel my love is one of those where a very common chord progression stands out because of the lowest sort of bass line hidden in the chord progression on the piano. Any bass player hears this and its even predictable until little changes pop up like the "I will never do you wrong" where a chord slaps you in the face.

I don't really have a favourite = just any song that does this kind of thing - Elton John does the same. Maybe Bach and Pachelbel had the same gift for this kind of 'tune writing'?
I too am an experienced and fairly accomplished guitarist but I enjoy writing and playing on piano now more and trying to improve, it gives me a different focus on musical creativity, I feel more free on an instrument that I have less ability on rather than the creative constraints I have with my more advanced guitar ability.
I really hope that makes some sort of sense and doesnt sound like pretentious bull ???
You are right, Paul composed a lot with either static LH or static RH.
So Penny Lane was just a minor triad with the right hand and moving and double the root up and down.
EVH used a C pedal in the LH and moved triads with the RH on Jump. Ed was classically trained but his synth stuff in VH are all basic.
A simple but very effect for pop songwriting. It does not have to be complicated
 
Like Raymond alluded to, there’s so many artists out there that will never be heard that are probably on par with the greats.
 
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Good / Great is subjective.
But if it moves ya it moves ya.
Good Vibrations ya know what I mean.

The Elton / Taupin thing was magical..

I love Paul's stuff and I love John's stuff but the stuff they wrote together I like a lot too.
In the Rock and Pop genre there are just so fricking many. Some of which who are soooo underated as songwriters because they are so good at their instrument e.g. Jimi Hendrix. Some of his fricking lyrics and song compositions are masterpieces Axis bold as Love...brilliant. Crosstown traffic...holy shit clever.
My influences beyond the aforementioned
Herb Alpert
Hank Williams
Glen Campbell
Ray Charles
Stevie Wonder
The Motown machine
Simon and Garfunkel
Bob Dylan
Willie Nelson
Carol King
Brian Wilson
Fogerty
Pink Floyd
Yes
Genesis
Santana
Joni Mitchel
Arlo Guthrie
Zappa
Elfman
The Who
Zepplin
Sly and the family stone

Other than the aforementioned I guess King Crimson's Court of the Crimson King pushed me into uncharted territory that really left a mark on me.

Many many others..

Plus all the amazing music those of us who grew up in the 50's and 60's were exposed to and not even realizing what amazing orchestrations we were hearing...Fricking Disney soundtracks and all the other Movie and TV tunes we were exposed to e.g. the Jetson's song ( BAD ASS ) subconsciously taking a place in our brains. I remember hearing these symphonies in my head as a kid. Later on I realized they were influenced by what I was exposed to as a kid.

Then for those of us that grew up going to church there's another whole layer of incredible compositions that we were exposed to and were indelibly recorded in our itty bitty brains...some amazing music going down in them churches


In the end...

Man I love playing the keys and singing.
 
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