First setup - Home Recording Studio

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I'm new in home studio and i wanted to know if my setup seems to be ok and if there is a better way to output the sound from my pc to my Speakers. (I own all of the items than I "draw", just not sure about the connections if it's gonna work and if there will be a latence when play the guitar, sing or use the controller midi)

Could you tell me if it's gonna work and give me advice to improve it if it's ok but so-so.

See the link for the draw of my setup (sorry, couldn't upload the image directly on the forum)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9u168crnew6e3y8/setup.jpg?dl=0

Regards,
Tommy Sirois
 
What is your audio interface?
Connect headphones to interface, not PC. Don't use a splitter
You can't connect both XLR and RCA on the KRK's, only one input at a time. And that should be connection from audio interface.

Are you trying to record everything at once? Is that necessary? Try using just the interface and don't use the mixer.
 
All inputs go into the interface.

You need to make sure that you get an interface with enough inputs to cover the number of things you want to simultaneously record.

Interface connects to computer.

All outputs come out from the interface. Outputs are speakers and headphones.

Forget about your computer's onboard sound, and forget about a mixer.
 
Hey Tommy,
I agree with the guys. Unless you have a particular need for a mixer, don't get a mixer.
Go with an audio interface with as many inputs as you will need (simultaneously), as Gecko said.

You might also want to reconsider the guitar path.
I'd either go guitar-mic-amp-interface or guitar-interface(DI)-vitual amp.
Some amps do have pretty good emulated outputs but I think they're the exception.


The computer built in audio device gets completely ignored and, if possible, disabled.
All ins and outs go to and from the audio interface.

Hope that helps.
 
Hi Tommy,
07:52 here and that drawing made my eyes hurt! There is a convention in drawing signal flows/processes.
Inputs in the left moving the signal to outputs (speakers) on the right.

Download the user manual of almost any mixer (not Behringers. For some reason the silly people have dropped block diagrams) and study the signal flow block diagram.

Mixers get a bit of a bad press here and it is true that K.I.S.Sir should be the norm. However, most mixer have more versatile mic amp gain arrangements than AIs, pan, EQ and usually FX send/return. Only you can decide what suits your particular situation. They also of course have zero latency headphone monitoring.

Dave.
 
Thank you for the answer and the help everyone!!

What is your audio interface?
Connect headphones to interface, not PC. Don't use a splitter
You can't connect both XLR and RCA on the KRK's, only one input at a time. And that should be connection from audio interface.

Are you trying to record everything at once? Is that necessary? Try using just the interface and don't use the mixer.

No, I'm not trying to record all at the same time, it's just than I've a mixer and I wanted to connect all my mic to make a setup and don't move my things after install all in my house.
For the KRK's and headphone , I want to play the sound who'll be modified by my PC. If I plug it to the audio interface, i'll probably not have my "Final sound". (I talk mainly for the controller midi)

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All inputs go into the interface.

You need to make sure that you get an interface with enough inputs to cover the number of things you want to simultaneously record.

Interface connects to computer.

All outputs come out from the interface. Outputs are speakers and headphones.

Forget about your computer's onboard sound, and forget about a mixer.

For the mixer, I can abandon the Idea of the mixer but why forget about the computer onboard sound? I found it important to listen at the transformed sound no? Maybe I juste didn't understand what you want to say about "computer's onboard sound"

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Hey Tommy,
I agree with the guys. Unless you have a particular need for a mixer, don't get a mixer.
Go with an audio interface with as many inputs as you will need (simultaneously), as Gecko said.

You might also want to reconsider the guitar path.
I'd either go guitar-mic-amp-interface or guitar-interface(DI)-vitual amp.
Some amps do have pretty good emulated outputs but I think they're the exception.


The computer built in audio device gets completely ignored and, if possible, disabled.
All ins and outs go to and from the audio interface.

Hope that helps.

No, I'm not trying to record all at the same time, it's just than I've a mixer and I wanted to connect all my mic to make a setup and don't move my things after install all in my house.
Thank you for the idea of DI or record the amp.
For me, the most important part is to get be able to hear the modified sound (with a DAW) live when I play it and when i'm ready to record, just click on record and voila and I was thinking that my connections were ok for that. If not, how could I archive my goal to hear the sound of guitar, mic or controller midi modified with the PC and after it, record it.

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Hi Tommy,
07:52 here and that drawing made my eyes hurt! There is a convention in drawing signal flows/processes.
Inputs in the left moving the signal to outputs (speakers) on the right.

Download the user manual of almost any mixer (not Behringers. For some reason the silly people have dropped block diagrams) and study the signal flow block diagram.

Mixers get a bit of a bad press here and it is true that K.I.S.Sir should be the norm. However, most mixer have more versatile mic amp gain arrangements than AIs, pan, EQ and usually FX send/return. Only you can decide what suits your particular situation. They also of course have zero latency headphone monitoring.

Dave.

Sorry for the blood in your eye. I'm gonna learn the flow block diagram!
My mixer have mic amp gain, fx and all but the principal reason I wanted to use it is to create a setup and after it, never have to move or connect and deconnect my instruments.

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Regards and THANK YOU,
Tommy Sirois
 
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For the KRK's and headphone , I want to play the sound who'll be modified by my PC. If I plug it to the audio interface, i'll probably not have my "Final sound". (I talk mainly for the controller midi)

You will have your "final sound". Use the monitor outputs and headphone jack on your interface, not your computer. That is what it is designed for. In your DAW program, you have to select the interface for inputs and outputs. If you're bent on using outputs from both PC and interface, then get a monitor selector. As stated before, you can't plug multiple inputs into the KRKs.

You didn't tell us what interface or software you are using.
 
You will have your "final sound". Use the monitor outputs and headphone jack on your interface, not your computer. That is what it is designed for. In your DAW program, you have to select the interface for inputs and outputs. If you're bent on using outputs from both PC and interface, then get a monitor selector. As stated before, you can't plug multiple inputs into the KRKs.

You didn't tell us what interface or software you are using.

Sorry, My interface is a PreSonus AudioBox 22VSL.
For the KRK's, I used 3.5 jack to stereo so the sound than my PC create will go to the stereo cable so red on one white on the second.
Probably than I don't understand the real work of the interface. For me, the interface is a way to pass the signals of my instruments and mics to my pc in order to add effects on the signal received with my daw software and hear it live on my KRK. The same idea than playing notes on my oxygen 49 and hear it live on my speakers.

I'm a newb, I read a little bit but didn't found thing to really understand the connections. If you have articles or a Book, feel free to tell me.

Again thank you!

Tommy Sirois
 
how could I archive my goal to hear the sound of guitar, mic or controller midi modified with the PC and after it, record it.

Hey again,
That's a basic function these days.
Pretty much any interface and DAW will let you hear what goes in, plus any processing and effects you've added in your software.
There will always be latency in that loop because it's impossible for there not to be, with with computer power these days and decent interfaces/drivers, it's usually manageable.

When I said "Unless you have a particular need for a mixer, don't get a mixer." I really meant it.
Mixers are for mixing and routing.

If you have some special requirement where you simply must combine x,y+z pre-computer, or distribute to multiple sources like headphones amps and what not, that's cool.
99.9% of people just think they need a mixer because they need a mixer, though.
If that's the case, you don't need a mixer. :)
Your mixing is done in your software.


Probably than I don't understand the real work of the interface.

It 100% replaces your computer's sound card.
It simply takes all inputs and gives all outputs. The built-in soundcard is totally ignored or, if possible, disabled.


Just to reiterate - All of your inputs, your speakers and your headphones all connect to the audio interface.
 
Hey again,
That's a basic function these days.
Pretty much any interface and DAW will let you hear what goes in, plus any processing and effects you've added in your software.
There will always be latency in that loop because it's impossible for there not to be, with with computer power these days and decent interfaces/drivers, it's usually manageable.

When I said "Unless you have a particular need for a mixer, don't get a mixer." I really meant it.
Mixers are for mixing and routing.

If you have some special requirement where you simply must combine x,y+z pre-computer, or distribute to multiple sources like headphones amps and what not, that's cool.
99.9% of people just think they need a mixer because they need a mixer, though.
If that's the case, you don't need a mixer. :)
Your mixing is done in your software.




It 100% replaces your computer's sound card.
It simply takes all inputs and gives all outputs. The built-in soundcard is totally ignored or, if possible, disabled.


Just to reiterate - All of your inputs, your speakers and your headphones all connect to the audio interface.

OMG I think I Understand! I was thinking that the audio interface was only to SEND signal to PC and not sending AND receiving signals!!! (Is it right? :P) If yes, I feel stupid and really see better what was my problems! If latency is important for my, what are the option to have a good flow? Have a better audio interface using a different cable (replace the usb by a firmwire) or other things?

For the mixing table, it's juste to help me to not connect or disconnect cable evertime. For me, the mixer is more a "I'll take all the instruments signals and send it to the Audio Interface" and nothing more. So with my mixer, i'll be able with one button to unmute an instrument, play it, switch to another by mutting the old one and unmute the new etc.

Thanks and regards!

Tommy Sirois
 
OMG I think I Understand! I was thinking that the audio interface was only to SEND signal to PC and not sending AND receiving signals!!! (Is it right? :P) If yes, I feel stupid and really see better what was my problems! If latency is important for my, what are the option to have a good flow? Have a better audio interface using a different cable (replace the usb by a firmwire) or other things?

I wouldn't worry about latency until you need to.
Every digital system, where the DAW is monitored, has latency.
The real concern is whether or not it's noticeable. On most it's not.

Just set the buffer size in your DAW to something like 128 or 256 and don't look back. ;)

For the mixing table, it's juste to help me to not connect or disconnect cable evertime. For me, the mixer is more a "I'll take all the instruments signals and send it to the Audio Interface" and nothing more. So with my mixer, i'll be able with one button to unmute an instrument, play it, switch to another by mutting the old one and unmute the new etc.

Well, if you really think it's helpful run with it, but just be aware it's an unnecessary addition and is putting additional (cheap) components in the signal path.
If you progress to recording drums or multiple musicians live you'll probably end up getting an interface with more inputs anyway.
That way you'll probably leave a bunch of regularly-used things plugged in and just pick the appropriate channel in your DAW each time, negating the need for your mixer. :)
 
Tommy has said that he want to leave everything plugged up. That AI only has two mic/instr inputs and I have managed(!) to discover that he has 3 microphones. I am not going to struggle further with the spidergram but if he has any other signal sources a mixer make a deal of sense as an "organizer". (in fact he DOES have two other signal sources? The outputs from the 22) .

Certainly, IF he did not have the AI and other kit he has, I too would be saying "get a Tascam multitracker" but that is not the situation.

But Tom. Listen to Chills et al. Forget the audio converter in the PC (in fact disable it in Device Manager along with Windows Sounds) . The interface is THE way to go.

Dave (do we have the mixer's handle?)
 
OMG I think I Understand! I was thinking that the audio interface was only to SEND signal to PC and not sending AND receiving signals!!! (Is it right? :P) If yes, I feel stupid and really see better what was my problems! If latency is important for my, what are the option to have a good flow? Have a better audio interface using a different cable (replace the usb by a firmwire) or other things?

For the mixing table, it's juste to help me to not connect or disconnect cable evertime. For me, the mixer is more a "I'll take all the instruments signals and send it to the Audio Interface" and nothing more. So with my mixer, i'll be able with one button to unmute an instrument, play it, switch to another by mutting the old one and unmute the new etc.

Thanks and regards!

Tommy Sirois

The playback side of home recording is very often forgotten/ignored by (wtgr!) noobs.
People are often SO intent on getting a signal INTO the PC that they completely forget that it is the end result, the sound, that matters. "Monitoring" as it is called, is a vast subject all on its own but breaks down into three main areas..

Monitoring on loudspeakers. Almost always "active" types with built in amplifiers and the very best way to go, especially if you pay attention to #2. Room Treatment.

This means putting sound absorbing materials in your room and they have two main objectives.
1) Reducing random reflections which "blur" the stereo image.
2) Bass traps which smooth out the bumps in the response that plague all small rooms.

Hard to give a figure and peeps WILL argue but, a decent set of monitor speakers and RT is unlikely to come out under $1000.

3) Headphones. Not so good but you can learn to make fair mixes on them (I understand! I am just a tekky twit) and usually the only way to go for the starter recordist.

"Unecessary components in the signal path". This is an oft repeated critique of mixers* The fact is that in a "pro" desk the signal will probably pass through 10 maybe 20 amplifying stages (usually "op amps") and is still judged pristine. A cheap Behringer or Mackie mixer will put the signal though maybe 3 or 4 such stages (and often the SAME op amps!) so there will be very little degradation. In any case signals do not degrade as the simple sum of the stages.

Latency: ANOTHER big subject! If you have even a reasonably fast PC (2G ish 2 core, 4G ram) the latency for two tracks at a time will be almost totally decided by the interface. I have not read of any problems with the Audiobox and so with a good setup, NO PC crap soundcard! No Windows bleeps! Maybe disable wireless adaptors, and ASIO drivers, you should get an adequately fast system.

*Wish there was another term for the device when used in this way. The mixer really being used as a signal SELECTOR. I use something similar. A small mixer that takes the signals from my 2496 soundcard (used to take it from another PC as well) and passes it on to my Tannoy monitors. If I need to I can just jack in my Native Instruments KA6 and hear that instead.

Dave.
 
Heh,
Hey Dave.
I'm guilty of using those phrases but maybe it's worth saying, I'm usually grappling for a nice way to say "it's one more thing for you to mess up". lol
Like that guy with the spaghetti diagram. If anything ever screamed 'keep it simple' it was that diagram. ;)
 
Heh,
Hey Dave.
I'm guilty of using those phrases but maybe it's worth saying, I'm usually grappling for a nice way to say "it's one more thing for you to mess up". lol
Like that guy with the spaghetti diagram. If anything ever screamed 'keep it simple' it was that diagram. ;)

Heh! No worries Steen', I have long thought (as a technician) that peeps are quite happy for a signal to go through the noisy, distorting lump that is a guitar amp but then get all tweaky and audiophoolish about a few extra op amp!

I had been banging on for years that there was no fairy dust inside even the most expensive mic pre. Very happy to be largely vindicated by the SoS preamp "shootout" (of 2012 iirc?).

People can make VERY acceptable recordings with very basic kit (leave us not forget, even a Berry USB mixer has a far better basic specc' than a Revox A77!) . They have plenty of time to discover the expensive delights of Prisms and high end mic amps! ....But NOT newbs BEFORE you have spent $5000 on monitors and room treatment!

Dave.
 
They have plenty of time to discover the expensive delights of Prisms and high end mic amps! ....But NOT newbs BEFORE you have spent $5000 on monitors and room treatment!

Dave.

True that!
 
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