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Allen & Heath ZED 22FX mixer for home rec. re bus compression, stereo channels etc.
A "Sorryfull" Newby's quest in better understanding the Allen & Heath's ZED 22FX analogue mixer, (with the FMR-RNC compressor in home recording applications);
I have bought this new analogue Allen &Heath ZED 22FX mixer -that for various reasons was advised & then convinced to get for my recording assembly. (It seemed as much mixer as I could afford.)
When I was first purchasing said mixer (as "sorryfull newby) I wasn't quite clear about this device being principally a "performance mixer". I was originally told that I could record through the two Mains and the FOUR Auxiliaries and still access the mixers EQ & FX, -it turned out that only the two Mains & THREE Auxes work this way. -So I also purchased 24 "HOSA DOC-106 insert adaptors" -direct insert patch cables to maximize my recording approach options, (I won't be able to access the mixers EQ or FX when recording by this "jumpered" insert means).
The A&H ZED 22FX operational manual hasn't been much help, so I've lately had the fellow from the music store (who sold me the Allen & Heath ZED 22FX analogue mixer & FNR-RNC compressor) come over to walk me through a few things. -Although I'm still far from completely understanding the mixer he did shed a bit of light re the Gain settings on meters etc., BUT I'm still much in the dark re the auxiliary sends & buses of the mixer.
According to the fellow from the music store, there doesn't seem to be much potential for "bus compression" or "bus mixing" with this particular mixer. -although the manual definitely says that it does have 4 buses, 3 auxiliary buses & 1 internal FX bus. -As well when asking about the ZED 22FX three stereo channels, he said that these were for stereo electronic instruments such as electric pianos or drum machines...
*I've got to figure, -that with 3 stereo channels and 3 auxiliary buses, something in the nature of BUS MIXING & BUS COMPRESSION may be possible by routing recorded tracks into one of the three stereo channels by way of the auxiliaries. The fellow from the store seemed to think that this would lead to a "Feed-back Loop" and risk damaging equipment.
NOTE: CONCERN ABOUT "FEEDBACK LOOPS" REOCCURS WHEN CONSIDERING "EFFECTS LOOPS" RE VARIOUS APPLICATIONS WITH THE FMR-RNC COMPRESSOR & THE A&H ZED 222FX ANALOGUE MIXER;
As I'm working with a small analogue mixer -it's very likely that this FMR-RNC compressor will be a natural, (-like the Mackie 1604VLZ mentioned in the "RNC Quickstart" it has the main out has left and right insert points)
I'm a bit confused re the normal Insert jacks of the A&H ZED 22FX mixer -and the mixers main outs that have left and right insert points. -Apparently I had been as well confused re the unbalanced RNC-RNC compressor/Allen & Heath ZED 22FX hook-up -esp. with respects to the simple aspects of tip, ring, & sleeve of the TRS connectors. -this was partly because of the need to use the jumpered "Hosa-Docs 106" Direct Outs to Insert cables etc.
Basically I need to know how to hook this RNC with the Allen & Heath mixer to do;
(1.) track recording compression;
As I now understand it from my music store guys walk through, -Track recording with the FMR-RNC & the A&H ZED 22FX can be achieved by either connecting the RNC with a TRS/TRS cable from one of its IN-PUTs to the mixer Channel's Insert jacks while recording, (-or the mixers main outs left and right insert points ?? -this I'm still unclear about...).
(2.) post recording/ outboard effect device compressing -using the RNC in an "effects-loop";
As well,-I understand from my music store guys walk through that, Post recording/ outboard effect device compressing -using the RNC in an "effects-loop", can be simply accomplished by firstly recording a dry track & then connecting the RNC with a TRS/TRS cable from its IN-PUT to the mixers Channel's Insert jacks and then make your various experimental compression settings while playing back the recorded track.
(3.) bus compression -would this seem to me to likely involve the mixers mains TRS left & right insert points?
(4.) MIX compression should in theory involve hooking the (unbalanced) FMR-RNC stereo compressor into either the two Mains OR the two Mains TRS left & right insert points, and then connecting the stereo compressor into the audio recorder,...-but how best I do this to avoid "Feed-Back Loops" ?
I'm not sceptical about the music store guys concern of "FEEDBACK LOOPS" when plugging the FMR-RNC into the mixers main outs left and right insert points in order to achieve BUS COMPRESSION -but I also sense a risk of such FEED BACK LOOP problems with his suggestion for the connecting of the RNC with a TRS/TRS cables from its IN-PUTs into the mixer's main outs left and right insert points for Tracking compression (??) ...
Because the music store guy was wrong about the number of auxes that I could record with in the beginning with this A & H ZED 22FX (& they got the unbalanced stereo RMR-RNC compressor wrong re wiring too) -as well as the question of bus mixing & the auxes & 3 stereo channels with the mixer -I think I need clarifications & other opinion about it all.
(1.) & (2.) re TRACK recording compression & the Post recording/ outboard effect device compressing -using the RNC in an "effects-loop" seem to be pretty much figured out, (-aside from the idea that I can also Track record with the mixers main outs left and right insert points -which seem to perhaps risk a "Feed-Back Loop") ;
*BUT the way of BUS & MIXING compression with this FMR-RNC (or other compressors & anything else) still remains dubious to me.
I really need to know more about how to use the three stereo channels and auxiliaries with this mixer.
Can any one shed any light on these Allen & Heath ZED 22FX questions ?
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Thrip
A "Sorryfull" Newby's quest in better understanding the Allen & Heath's ZED 22FX analogue mixer, (with the FMR-RNC compressor in home recording applications);
I have bought this new analogue Allen &Heath ZED 22FX mixer -that for various reasons was advised & then convinced to get for my recording assembly. (It seemed as much mixer as I could afford.)
When I was first purchasing said mixer (as "sorryfull newby) I wasn't quite clear about this device being principally a "performance mixer". I was originally told that I could record through the two Mains and the FOUR Auxiliaries and still access the mixers EQ & FX, -it turned out that only the two Mains & THREE Auxes work this way. -So I also purchased 24 "HOSA DOC-106 insert adaptors" -direct insert patch cables to maximize my recording approach options, (I won't be able to access the mixers EQ or FX when recording by this "jumpered" insert means).
The A&H ZED 22FX operational manual hasn't been much help, so I've lately had the fellow from the music store (who sold me the Allen & Heath ZED 22FX analogue mixer & FNR-RNC compressor) come over to walk me through a few things. -Although I'm still far from completely understanding the mixer he did shed a bit of light re the Gain settings on meters etc., BUT I'm still much in the dark re the auxiliary sends & buses of the mixer.
According to the fellow from the music store, there doesn't seem to be much potential for "bus compression" or "bus mixing" with this particular mixer. -although the manual definitely says that it does have 4 buses, 3 auxiliary buses & 1 internal FX bus. -As well when asking about the ZED 22FX three stereo channels, he said that these were for stereo electronic instruments such as electric pianos or drum machines...
*I've got to figure, -that with 3 stereo channels and 3 auxiliary buses, something in the nature of BUS MIXING & BUS COMPRESSION may be possible by routing recorded tracks into one of the three stereo channels by way of the auxiliaries. The fellow from the store seemed to think that this would lead to a "Feed-back Loop" and risk damaging equipment.
NOTE: CONCERN ABOUT "FEEDBACK LOOPS" REOCCURS WHEN CONSIDERING "EFFECTS LOOPS" RE VARIOUS APPLICATIONS WITH THE FMR-RNC COMPRESSOR & THE A&H ZED 222FX ANALOGUE MIXER;
As I'm working with a small analogue mixer -it's very likely that this FMR-RNC compressor will be a natural, (-like the Mackie 1604VLZ mentioned in the "RNC Quickstart" it has the main out has left and right insert points)
I'm a bit confused re the normal Insert jacks of the A&H ZED 22FX mixer -and the mixers main outs that have left and right insert points. -Apparently I had been as well confused re the unbalanced RNC-RNC compressor/Allen & Heath ZED 22FX hook-up -esp. with respects to the simple aspects of tip, ring, & sleeve of the TRS connectors. -this was partly because of the need to use the jumpered "Hosa-Docs 106" Direct Outs to Insert cables etc.
Basically I need to know how to hook this RNC with the Allen & Heath mixer to do;
(1.) track recording compression;
As I now understand it from my music store guys walk through, -Track recording with the FMR-RNC & the A&H ZED 22FX can be achieved by either connecting the RNC with a TRS/TRS cable from one of its IN-PUTs to the mixer Channel's Insert jacks while recording, (-or the mixers main outs left and right insert points ?? -this I'm still unclear about...).
(2.) post recording/ outboard effect device compressing -using the RNC in an "effects-loop";
As well,-I understand from my music store guys walk through that, Post recording/ outboard effect device compressing -using the RNC in an "effects-loop", can be simply accomplished by firstly recording a dry track & then connecting the RNC with a TRS/TRS cable from its IN-PUT to the mixers Channel's Insert jacks and then make your various experimental compression settings while playing back the recorded track.
(3.) bus compression -would this seem to me to likely involve the mixers mains TRS left & right insert points?
(4.) MIX compression should in theory involve hooking the (unbalanced) FMR-RNC stereo compressor into either the two Mains OR the two Mains TRS left & right insert points, and then connecting the stereo compressor into the audio recorder,...-but how best I do this to avoid "Feed-Back Loops" ?
I'm not sceptical about the music store guys concern of "FEEDBACK LOOPS" when plugging the FMR-RNC into the mixers main outs left and right insert points in order to achieve BUS COMPRESSION -but I also sense a risk of such FEED BACK LOOP problems with his suggestion for the connecting of the RNC with a TRS/TRS cables from its IN-PUTs into the mixer's main outs left and right insert points for Tracking compression (??) ...
Because the music store guy was wrong about the number of auxes that I could record with in the beginning with this A & H ZED 22FX (& they got the unbalanced stereo RMR-RNC compressor wrong re wiring too) -as well as the question of bus mixing & the auxes & 3 stereo channels with the mixer -I think I need clarifications & other opinion about it all.
(1.) & (2.) re TRACK recording compression & the Post recording/ outboard effect device compressing -using the RNC in an "effects-loop" seem to be pretty much figured out, (-aside from the idea that I can also Track record with the mixers main outs left and right insert points -which seem to perhaps risk a "Feed-Back Loop") ;
*BUT the way of BUS & MIXING compression with this FMR-RNC (or other compressors & anything else) still remains dubious to me.
I really need to know more about how to use the three stereo channels and auxiliaries with this mixer.
Can any one shed any light on these Allen & Heath ZED 22FX questions ?
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Thrip
or the same for mix. No 'feedback problems here- unless you happen to send the monitor mix (from the recorder) back into the stereo mains- that's a loop'.
