More tracks... better?

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i used to track as many as i wanted to get some really beefy sounding guitars but now its very minimal as i have changed my recording chain.

i have started to really appreciate getting it right at source. than to layer sounds or edit.

try using more analog equipment it adds so much depth to a signal.
 
A better mix is going to lead to a better track. If you have one main vocal track at the perfect level the whole song it will sound awesome---BUT we add more vocal track layers (doubles/stabs) which alters the volume and usually boost up parts where the vocalist is quiet.
I find my self layering sounds when they are quiet, generally when i should be boost the volume.
 
Layering to boost volume? Haven't heard that one before.
 
I would trade my 80-8 for a nice Ampex 4-track any day. I truly believe 4-track (on a reel to reel) is the holy-grail if you use it right.
 
I truly believe 4-track (on a reel to reel) is the holy-grail if you use it right.
That's an interesting view. But it's worth pointing out that those artists, producers and engineers that made those legendary albums and singles on 4 track machines did not share your view. Firstly, they bounced tracks which is simply a way of saying "I want more tracks !". They also transferred tracks from machine to machine which is another way of saying "I want more tracks !" On some fabled occasions {eg The Beatles "A day in the life"} two 4 tracks were slaved together to create a 7 track machine which is yet another way of saying "I want more tracks !" and on other occasions, final versions were compiled from different takes edited together which screams " I want more tracks !" So much of the Stones' 1965/66 output was recorded while they were on tour in the USA because there were 8 track studios there but none in Britain. As soon as the Beatles discovered in 1968 that EMI had an 8 track stashed away, awaiting modifications from their technical team, they nicked it and used it to record some of the White album and never went back to 4 track again. And on and on.......
The most damning indictment of 4 track machines is this; once 8 track {soon followed by 16 then 24 track} became commercially available, virtually no studio used 4s, virtually no artists recorded with them. Certainly 4 track was revolutionary in the days of single track then two track machines.
But the holy grail ? That's like saying 26 inch TV screens {which used to be the largest you could get} are the holy grail of telly screens when 32, 39, 42, 46, 50 and 61 inch are far more common and enable you to have both complexity and simplicity.
 
That's like saying 26 inch TV screens {which used to be the largest you could get} are the holy grail of telly screens when 32, 39, 42, 46, 50 and 61 inch are far more common and enable you to have both complexity and simplicity.

I and a lot of folks I know, had 36 inch screens. Monsters and I could wait to get it out of my living room (about a year ago), get a 42 inch flat (which takes up less room) reduce the foot print and makes my living room look like a living room instead of a room for a TV.

I have to agree, I have a many track DAW in my little room and that is good.
 
It seems pretty clear that there is nothing inherently good or bad about the number of tracks one uses on a project. It would have to depend on the nature of the project and what you're doing with those tracks, right?

I guess folks using PC set ups have virtually limitless track counts (limited only by the processing power of your machine)? I use a 24 digital multitracker and typically use all 24 on each song. Sometimes I need to bounce stuff down into groups just to get it to fit within 24.

I don't think I'm adding tracks to cover up poor performances or bad mic positioning. I don't even see how additional tracks would help with that. It's just really nice to have the option to add layers and maybe small subtle things here and there to try to create more depth and variety to the piece, you know?

I really do not miss 4 or 8-track days at all. Having to put mutliple things in different sections of the same track or perform and track multiple parts simultaneously just to get them to fit sucked.

I don't see a downside to having more tracks available to use as needed. At the same time it is of course not advisable to keep adding tracks just for the sake of adding them.
 
It seems pretty clear that there is nothing inherently good or bad about the number of tracks one uses on a project. It would have to depend on the nature of the project and what you're doing with those tracks, right?

I guess folks using PC set ups have virtually limitless track counts (limited only by the processing power of your machine)? I use a 24 digital multitracker and typically use all 24 on each song. Sometimes I need to bounce stuff down into groups just to get it to fit within 24.

I don't think I'm adding tracks to cover up poor performances or bad mic positioning. I don't even see how additional tracks would help with that. It's just really nice to have the option to add layers and maybe small subtle things here and there to try to create more depth and variety to the piece, you know?

I really do not miss 4 or 8-track days at all. Having to put mutliple things in different sections of the same track or perform and track multiple parts simultaneously just to get them to fit sucked.

I don't see a downside to having more tracks available to use as needed. At the same time it is of course not advisable to keep adding tracks just for the sake of adding them.

Exactly.

But ever since recording my music on a crappy 2 input interface, in a crappy room, trying to create dense 16+ track mixes, I tend to focus more on room and source, as well as capturing large chunks of the mix without bouncing.

My whole process revolves around one room mic, placed in the most ideal location in the room (relative to where the kick/snare sounded the best in the room), capturing a single performance of a rhythm section that was basically made perfect in the room.

Once it's as good as it can get in the room (no mics set up at this point) the room mic comes in. Once its as good as it gets on the room mic, I use the remaining 7 tracks to control any single source I feel the room mic isn't enough for, or for overdubbing, or as a place where I can create some kind of odd effect.

In a way its almost like having a bounced track grouping that was mixed down perfectly, with 7 tracks left (If you have an 8-track), and you haven't even bounced yet. Same practice can be used for almost any track count. Its just a long, tedious, and exhausting process.

But I see the benefits of this being a smaller amount of gear needed, quicker tracking process, simple mixing, and the single live performance aspect should help give the overall mix some serious glue.

Hence why someone like me would be more interested in an Ampex 4-track. If I can live with two mics, and do it all on one mic, with the lack of tracks forcing me to be more precise, as well as more focused on the room/source, then why not use a 4-track? This is why in my case, anything over 8 tracks just seems like way too much.

Has anyone seen that Royer labs video? Where the guy uses what seems like 100 Royer mics to capture one kit? Well to my ears that elaborate setup sounds no better than the old Bonham/Watts/Starr tracks, and the difference in the amount of available tracks is something like 2-4 vs Unlimited. The room/players/kit are pretty much irrelevant between the two, as they are all pretty much top-notch.

So, to bring it full circle, its all relative. All one might need to ask is why Pet Sounds in mono sounds better than the majority of modern music out there today. It was all done perfectly, from Brian Wilsons brain, to the vinyl LP. Composition/Arrangement/Room/Musicians/Performance/Gear. It was perfected long before the musicians even performed it, and I would say having that lack of tracks is what contributes to the "wall of sound" more than anything.
 
louder is never always better in some cases! unless its metal music lol
 
Try to get the best out of each track.

It's better to have 8 great recorded tracks rather than 22 shitty recorded tracks.
Many famous records were made using 8-16 channels only, focus on quality rather than quantity.
 
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