24bit vs 16bit and Hz

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That's nice....

Do you mix by the numbers too? ;)

Playing your amp dimed is also bad for your hearing....but it sounds so good! :D
 
miroslav said:
the science is not yet 100% complete, or it is only as complete as we currently understand it or have the ability to measure it.
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The science of audio fidelity is indeed 100 percent complete. We know exactly what to measure, no faith needed. The proof is the null test, as I've explained repeatedly. If there were some unknown parameter that affected audio quality, it would have been revealed years ago in a null test. Nulling has been around since the 1940s!

I think we can all agree that science can't prove everything...and in the subjective world of audio, I just don't think it's as important as some folks like to make it out to be.
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You are missing the difference between fidelity and preference. Fidelity can be proven with 100 percent certainty. Preference cannot be defined, so I don't even try. Stuff like sample rates and bit depth are not subjective, they affect only fidelity.

It kills me when people argue against science, as if science is somehow the enemy of art. Without science you wouldn't have any of the tools you use to make recordings!

--Ethan
 
I was referring to physics not being a 100% complete science yet...and audio would fall under that.
Basically, you're kinda saying that what we know we can measure today, we can prove...and what we can't measure today, should be assumed not to be important....right?

How does one do a null test with a 96kHz file against a 44.1kHz file without converting them first to the same kind of file, in which case, you've altered them to make them the same before doing a null test.....?

Anyway, the point I was really making wasn't that there is no difference between fidelity and preference, but that preference is equally important, and always measuring and relying on math to tell you what you should prefer is not IMO what makes for best scenarios in every case.
 
miroslav said:
I was referring to physics not being a 100% complete science yet...and audio would fall under that.
Basically, you're kinda saying that what we know we can measure today, we can prove...and what we can't measure today, should be assumed not to be important....right?

How does one do a null test with a 96kHz file against a 44.1kHz file without converting them first to the same kind of file, in which case, you've altered them to make them the same before doing a null test.....?

Anyway, the point I was really making wasn't that there is no difference between fidelity and preference, but that preference is equally important, and always measuring and relying on math to tell you what you should prefer is not IMO what makes for best scenarios in every case.
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Nobody in any study has ever been able to tell the difference between a 44,100kHz 16bit file amd a 96kHz 24bit file. The studies were done and noone could tell the difference. So the theories have been proven. Its nothing to do with personal preference.
 
Redlad_ said:
Nobody in any study has ever been able to tell the difference between a 44,100kHz 16bit file amd a 96kHz 24bit file. The studies were done and noone could tell the difference. So the theories have been proven. Its nothing to do with personal preference.
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Link the studies, so I can find the science! lol

No seriously, what studies are you talking about, and why didn't you post the link to them without having to be asked? Because they don't exist right? lol!

I could give a s**t less guys. If it sounds good, then it sounds good.

This whole argument is getting to the point of redundancy.

I just found Jesus in my life, so I have an issue with all of your science crap now anyway...
 
RAMI said:
Yeah, I can tell by your last couple of posts. Exactly what Jesus would post. :laughings:
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Hey, I have a 6 month old baby girl. I am just like Jesus, as I am a thrifty shopper. Jesus Saves! :)
 
Redlad_ said:
Nobody in any study has ever been able to tell the difference between a 44,100kHz 16bit file amd a 96kHz 24bit file. The studies were done and noone could tell the difference. So the theories have been proven. Its nothing to do with personal preference.
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Well....how about I ignore your "studies" and still record at 96kHz/24 bit.....?

That's called "personal preference".

I gotta laugh at how many people need a mathematical equation these days in order to make decisions about their audio. :D
 
miroslav said:
Well....how about I ignore your "studies" and still record at 96kHz/24 bit.....?

That's called "personal preference".

I gotta laugh at how many people need a mathematical equation these days in order to make decisions about their audio. :D
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Yeah, I go with Miro on this whole thread. It is 'PERSONAL PREFERENCE'. You don't like it, then go have your own somewhere where I don't have to hear about yours.

Ahh, peaceful place here in my own opinion....
 
jimmys69 said:
Link the studies, so I can find the science! lol

No seriously, what studies are you talking about, and why didn't you post the link to them without having to be asked? Because they don't exist right? lol!

I could give a s**t less guys. If it sounds good, then it sounds good.

This whole argument is getting to the point of redundancy.

I just found Jesus in my life, so I have an issue with all of your science crap now anyway...
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Well the link that will explains everything including the testing system is:
24/192 Music Downloads are Very Silly Indeed

For people that just want the straight forward nswer:
Tweakheadz · 16 Bit vs. 24 Bit Audio
Moulton Laboratories :: 24 Bits: Can You Hear ?Em? 96 kHz.: Can You Hear It?

Boom
 
Those are not really "studies"...but who cares, I'm going with my "personal preference"....so now what?
 
miroslav said:
Jesus saves, but George Nelson withdraws!
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I just watched that movie not too long ago. :)

Well that's it, boys. I've been redeemed. The preacher's done warshed away all my sins and transgressions
 
I enjoy it every time I watch it....like it's the first time. :D
There's just a huge amount of comic detail in that movie, and it doesn't get old.
 
Yup, plus it's the only way to hack your way through a greek tragedy.

I thought the Sirens part was the best. :rolleyes:
 
This explains everything about digital audio...more is better, it's not complicated.

 
One of Redlad_'s "scientific studies" contains the phrase that 24 bit recording "gives your audio more room to breathe in the numeric realm of digital audio".

I never knew that data could breath but it could explain why the mix I'm working on just now seems to need CPR.
 
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