Mastering with a mixer

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Better yet just send your mixes to Massive kid! He will have them sounding MASSIVE!!!!
 
Not if he wants mixing...

Well, not that I can't mix -- I actually enjoy it occasionally. But for the most part, I'm not that guy anymore.
 
downtuned31 said:
I was wondering if the behringer could be used as far as mixing down to one track on the zoom.
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So, you are talking about mixing, not mastering. That's where the confusion comes from. You said you're familiar with mastering but you're not talking about mastering at all.
 
downtuned31 said:
Thanks for all the replies! Sorry if I am being confusing. I was wondering if the behringer could be used as far as mixing down to one track on the zoom. Basically being able to use the features of the behringer to get the sound I want and then recording that to the zoom. From everybody's replies it sounds like that is not a good idea. I currently am using the behringer xenyx x2442 with usb. The reason I havent used it through my software is because from what I understand you can only record two tracks at a time via usb. I bought it actually to replace the zoom for recording drums mainly. I was under the impression you could use it through cubase the same way as the zoom, but come to find out you only can record 2 tracks at a time. It is kind of misleading information as far as behringer goes in my opinion. But if you guys have any suggestions on how this behringer could be beneficial by itself through cubase that would be helpful to. I have been doing home recording for a couple of years but only through the zoom. So this mixer seems like a whole different thing in comparison. Also as far as cubase goes I have only been working with that for a few months. I guess I have been doing it kind of the old school way.
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The information is not misleading. This unit is advertised as a 24-Input 4/2-Bus Mixer. This means 24 inputs (the mixer) to 2 outputs to Cubase in your case.
You can still record drums; I do it thru a 2488 with only 8 inputs /2 out. But you have to multitrack to Cubase for the rest.
To do what you seem to want to do, you need a different interface, not a mixer. You can mix in Cubase.
 
downtuned31 said:
...But if you guys have any suggestions on how this behringer could be beneficial by itself through cubase that would be helpful to. I have been doing home recording for a couple of years but only through the zoom. So this mixer seems like a whole different thing in comparison.
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You're stuck with the Zoom for the drums but you could use the mixer for tracking mono or stereo overdubs if it gives you better results.

You could try the mixer for the drum overheads and the Zoom for the other drum mics but you'll probably hit latency comb-filtering issues if one device is faster than the other.
 
iqi616 said:
You're stuck with the Zoom for the drums but you could use the mixer for tracking mono or stereo overdubs if it gives you better results.

You could try the mixer for the drum overheads and the Zoom for the other drum mics but you'll probably hit latency comb-filtering issues if one device is faster than the other.
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Why is he stuck with the Zoom for the drums?
Mic up thru the Behringer (up to 24 mics if he wants) mix it and record with the Zoom.
That is essentially my setup – though not ideal, it works.
 
Manslick said:
Why is he stuck with the Zoom for the drums?
Mic up thru the Behringer (up to 24 mics if he wants) mix it and record with the Zoom.
That is essentially my setup – though not ideal, it works.
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I was thinking about A/D channels rather than inputs but you're right, he can use them in combination.
 
Manslick said:
Why is he stuck with the Zoom for the drums?
Mic up thru the Behringer (up to 24 mics if he wants) mix it and record with the Zoom.
That is essentially my setup – though not ideal, it works.
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The problem is you are stuck with the stereo mix of the drums this way. Snare too loud? retrack. Can't hear the kick? retrack

My experience with a Behr mixer was that the preamps were noisy. Not sure why anyone would want to use one for recording.
 
mjbphotos said:
The problem is you are stuck with the stereo mix of the drums this way. Snare too loud? retrack. Can't hear the kick? retrack
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Yep that's why only men do it this way.

Or

It's all you have. I'm both.

:)
 
I guess I misinterpreted you Manslick, I thought you were talking about using direct outs from the Mixer to the Zoom.
 
iqi616 said:
I guess I misinterpreted you Manslick, I thought you were talking about using direct outs from the Mixer to the Zoom.
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I did at one point as a possible solution to the problem of mastering with a mixer.

Now it seems we’re mixing with a mixer.

Mixed up enough?
 
Thanks for all the input guys! I actualy have just been using the direct outs from the mixer and running them to the inputs of the zoom for drums. That way I can control each individual drum mic's level. Then recording everything to the zoom and transferring to cubase from their. It just gives my drums a more punchy sound when compared to recording directly to the zoom. I havent even tried using the behringer through cubase yet. May give that a try and see what results I can get that way. I really do appreciate everybody's input. It has answered alot of questions for me.
 
downtuned31 said:
It has answered alot of questions for me.
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Yeah, but it hasn't answered ours. Are you mixing or mastering? Do you know the difference? Like I said before, you say "mastering" a few times, but you keep describing "mixing". That's why pretty much everyone here is confused.
 
downtuned31 said:
I currently am using the behringer xenyx x2442 with usb. The reason I havent used it through my software is because from what I understand you can only record two tracks at a time via usb. I bought it actually to replace the zoom for recording drums mainly. I was under the impression you could use it through cubase the same way as the zoom, but come to find out you only can record 2 tracks at a time.
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You are incorrect on a few things:

1. The Zoom creates wav. files for each track. To get them into your computer, just transfer each track over usb. Better yet, take the smart card outta the Zoom and stick it into your computer. An external mixer will do nothing except introduce more noise. The Zoom IS a mixer as well as a recorder, so you're just using two mixers if you use the Behri.

2. You can record as many tracks with Cubase as your interface allows. If you use the Zoom as an interface, I'm pretty sure you can record 8 tracks at once into Cubase (or any DAW).

For your needs, there is probably very little the Behri can help you with at this time. The Zoom does virtual tracks, you can do as many tracks as your smart card can hold.

Time to move up to a DAW, use your Zoom to track, then export all the separate tracks to your computer. Leave the mixer for live use.
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This.
 
I wouldn't use either pieces of gear to 'MASTER'. I would track through the mixer and then use the Zoom to get a very reasonable mix of those tracks without worrying too much about the power of the sound at that point. Concentrate on getting the tracks to fit into the mix and maybe some panning and separation etc., and mixing down to a left/right channel stereo mix. I would then port that mix over to my computer into my DAW software of choice. Strengthen the stereo mix with any EQing or Reverb etc. and THEN I would master the stereo track at that point.

just my 2 cents worth - I know it works for me with decent results
 
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