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Hi Guys (and Girls), I've been messing with music most of my life (53 years old). By that I mean mostly electric guitar. About 5 years ago I started recording with Cakewalk Guitar tracks pro (which is geared to guitar players and very user friendly). I don't get to spend alot of time on my recording but I can see that its something I would like to do more of in the future as children leave the nest etc... and I have more time on my hands.
So up to this point I have used a vox Tonelab for direct guitar, bass direct line in, and "canned" drums that come with the program. Behringer truth speakers also. So you can see that my setup is extremely basic. I do it mostly because I enjoy the writing process and to make a halfway decent sounding recording is rewarding. I have alot to learn about mixing and I am working on that aspect more and more lately. I would like to someday have a home studio in which I could Mic actual drums and amplifiers.
So here's the question: Can someone (myself), with some high end hearing loss in one ear, ever hope to make a professional quality mix? Thanks, and I await your replys.
ps - this is my first post and I think this is a great forum.
 
Hi mate and welcome.
I also have some hearing imbalance in one ear, partially genetic (low frequency attenuation), partially from being a keyboard player in my youth and being constantly stuck up near the drummer's crash cymbal.
My mixes tend to stand up to the scrutiny of my peers and clients so yes, it is possible.
If you have very good frequency response in your other ear, your brain will tend to be able to compensate, to some extent, for the limitations of your 'affected' ear. Most people have some kind of 'imbalance' in their ears (from what I am told by audiologists) and our brains just learn to adapt.
When you're mixing through speakers, then the sound will envelope you and whatever is on the left will also come to your right ear, and vice versa. So if you boost the highs on something panned to the same side as your 'attenuated' ear, your other ear will also hear the effect.
When you are using headphones to check the mix, a simple thing to do is put them on backwards every so often so that your brain gets a fresh perspective on the mix.

I think someone on this forum wrote in to say that they were nearly completely deaf in one ear and they were still having fun making and mixing music, though they knew that they needed someone to help with checking the spread of instruments. Heck, all the early Beatles records were recorded and pressed in mono!
So the best advice I can give is to not let anything get in your way of having fun doing what you enjoy. If it turns out that the mixes aren't Sony or Warner quality, then so be it ;) Just have a good time doing what you can for as long as you can!
Dags
 
Absolutely you can.... better a good ear with some degradation than perfect hearing with no sense of what to do with it...

Most people start losing high end anyway as they get older. How bad is it?

The other thing is that, when you post sample mixes of your tunes in the MP3 clinic here, you can point out that you have a particular problem in the left/right ear and ask people to sanity check your mixes for you... if you can't get it "right" yourself, other people will nudge you in the right direction.

Welcome...
 
The other thing is that, when you post sample mixes of your tunes in the MP3 clinic here, you can point out that you have a particular problem in the left/right ear and ask people to sanity check your mixes for you... if you can't get it "right" yourself, other people will nudge you in the right direction.

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I found this rather interesting article that may be of help.
By the way, the simple answer to whether or not you should be able to do good mixes, is yeah !
[h=1]Q. I am deaf in one ear; can I mix with monaural hearing?[/h]http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may09/articles/qa0509_3.htm?print=yes


Sound Advice : Mixing


I use Logic Express 8 software and an Apogee Duet interface to record guitar and vocals in a small room at home. Unfortunately, I am 100 percent deaf in my right ear and wonder if you can offer advice on mixing tracks in light of this problem. Perhaps I should leave mixing entirely to someone with two ears?

Logic Pro’s Multimeter plug-in has a Goniometer display to assist with stereo balance while mixing, and various third-party stereo monitoring and manipulation alternatives are also available.



SOS contributor Martin Walker replies:
You can certainly do a lot of mixing with monoaural hearing. You’ll still be able to balance the elements of your mix as well as anyone else, and make decisions about the front-to-back distance of different sounds based on their relative levels and the amount of high frequencies they contain. You may also find that you notice musical nuances that others miss, since constantly listening through one ear can improve its perceptive powers.

With binaural hearing, directional cues rely on two physical processes: the time difference between sounds arriving at our left and right ears, and the intensity differences of sounds arriving at our left and right ears due to the ‘shading’ effect of the head. With monaural hearing, the pinnae (part of the ear outside the head) can still provide clues to the positions of incoming sounds, but I suspect creating a stereo mix will nevertheless be difficult.
Your best approach is to start by creating mono mixes. After all, mono compatability is important for commercial releases, since this is how many listeners will hear music on portable radios, on club PAs, many TVs, the Internet, and in areas with poor FM radio reception. Moreover, even when you have good hearing in both ears and the final format is stereo or surround, many experts suggest first creating your mixes in mono, since this can help greatly in establishing a good balance between the various instruments.

Many musicians rely on panning different instruments across the stereo field to give some physical separation in a stereo mix. However, mixing in mono forces you to choose sounds that don’t fight each other in the first place, as well as arranging them with the same goal in mind. This will usually result in a better mix when one starts positioning the various sounds in stereo, but is the point at which you will probably have more difficulty.
With guitar and vocals you’ll experience few problems, since in a real performance both of these sounds will come from essentially the same point in space (most people would either use a central stereo pan position for both, or place them slightly either side of centre), and be supported either by the stereo acoustics of the room they were recorded in, or by a little stereo reverb whose amount you should also be able to judge well. I see no reason why you shouldn’t be able to achieve good mixes of these songs.
Things may get trickier with more complex stereo mixes. Producer Terry Manning’s ‘Cardinal Points Law’ suggests that using centre, hard left and hard right pan positions as a starting point will always give you a clear stereo mix, with less important sounds added to the in-between positions, so you could use this approach based on the physical positions of the performers in real life to achieve a good starting point for a stereo mix.
However, many musicians find they ideally need to modify the EQ or relative levels slightly once they move from a mono to a stereo mix, so at this point I suspect you’d benefit from collaboration with another musician. That is, assuming you want to create a stereo mix — after all, the ‘Back To Mono’ movement has a surprising amount of support!
SOS Technical Editor Hugh Robjohns adds: My immediate reaction to this question was that you should simply arrange to monitor in mono on a loudspeaker. The advent of surround has made it far easier to buy a single speaker, so your budget is effectively doubled — you can buy a single speaker that’s twice as good as the pair you’d usually be able to afford. You should be able to configure Logic to provide a fixed mono sum output for your monitoring.
Achieving a good balance in mono means that you’re 95 percent of the way there for stereo anyway — for all the reasons Martin has said. All that is then left is some panning for a stereo output, and much of that can be done on a purely notional basis. Kick, snare and vocals in the centre, guitars panned one side, keys to the other, and so on.
Something that would help a lot, though, is a decent stereo image display. Something like the DK Technologies ‘Goniometer’ display (or stereo vector display) that I use would help you to establish that the left-right balance is consistent and the stereo width is appropriate. Logic Pro’s Multimeter plug-in has a Goniometer, but I think you may not have that in Logic Express. [Consider instead PSP’s Stereo Analyser plug-in, from the PSP Stereo Pack at $49 (PSPaudioware.com - high quality audio processors and effects plug-ins in AudioUnit, RTAS and VST format for Mac and PC) or the freeware Flux plug-in from www.fluxhome.com/products/Freewares/stereotool.] Using that kind of display, you should be able to visualise the stereo image and form a good impression of how binaurally-able people would hear it.
Brian Wilson in the 60s had problems in one ear but still managed to produce dense and complex records for the time.
 
I am registered deaf, got the aid, free servicing, free batteries, T shirt, di-da.

My right ear is 25dB down from norm at 2kHz and then goes off a cliff (3rd order at least!)
My left ear was not as bad 5 years ago (I am 67) but is catching up since at my last audiogram I was offered a second aid, which I declined then but might go for soon as the rest of this post might explain.

I seem to not only have lost hearing level and HFs but also what I can only describe as "resolution". Even with my digital aid some voices, even in a quiet room beat me. ANY kind of heavy accent, Irish, Scots, Isub cont, beats me. I hardly ever have a problem with my daughter who is also hard of hearing (but is not registered or aided) but I think her disability causes her to speak more plainly and she is in anycase a lecturer and has that declamatoty style!
My "top boss" the MD, is I suspect a bit mutton (years in a band) but is anyway northern and projects well. My immediated boss is a nightmare! She barely gets above a whisper and frankly I am lucky to get 30%. I just wait until I am told I am "doing it wrong" and then say, (for the Nth bloody time!) "I cannot understand you!"
I can tell if a guitar is "clean" I can tell the diff' from "crunch" to heavy distortion but the nuances that peeps talk about are lost on me. My ears also fatigue very rapidly (tho I suspect that is actually my brain working its neurons off trying to make sense of the bad input!)

So, mixing! Never really tried. I am not in any event a musician. I have listened to my sons work quite a bit tho'. He "employs" me to listen for bass lines which I am quite good at but which seem to escape HIS 20-20 lugs!

Dave.
 
Thank you so much for your responses! This is very encouraging. I don't believe my attenuation is very drastic, but I can definately hear a difference when I turn my head from one side to the other. Like I said before, this is a great forum with some great people. I'm looking forward to hanging with you guys! Thanks again.
 
Thank you so much for your responses! This is very encouraging. I don't believe my attenuation is very drastic, but I can definately hear a difference when I turn my head from one side to the other. Like I said before, this is a great forum with some great people. I'm looking forward to hanging with you guys! Thanks again.

No probs.. and if you can shout "Get off my lawn!" you'll find the Cave (down the bottom...) an interesting place to hang... :eatpopcorn: :laughings:

See ya round....
 
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