How do I get inspiration for making songs?

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I think no matter how much we all know that sitting down and saying "I'm going to write" almost never results in writing anything worthwhile we still do it.
I still don't agree with this. Many, many times over the last couple of years, I've had the bare skeleton of an idea and filed it away, knowing that I can return to it one day in the future {it might be a month, it might be 6 years} and work it into something. When I say the bare skeleton of an idea, it might be a line or half a riff. I know I can sit down from near enough scratch and come up with something. With the kind of life I have to lead, it becomes par for the course. Discipline and effort aren't difficult once you live there.
 
I still don't agree with this. Many, many times over the last couple of years, I've had the bare skeleton of an idea and filed it away, knowing that I can return to it one day in the future {it might be a month, it might be 6 years} and work it into something. When I say the bare skeleton of an idea, it might be a line or half a riff. I know I can sit down from near enough scratch and come up with something. With the kind of life I have to lead, it becomes par for the course. Discipline and effort aren't difficult once you live there.

Yeah, I'm certainly able to revisit little bits created here and there later in time, but the initial ideas for me always tend to be spontaneous.
 
Starting in the early eighties I would have whole songs pop into my head, and I mean full arrangements!

Granted I would only have a verse and a chorus but the rest comes very easily for the total layout of the song would be there lied out in front of me. As if someone else had written it for me.
 
You can always listen to some crap that is put out now, and go the 'I can do better than that' route. Bet that would just result in better version of crap tho...

I'll just shut up now. :)
 
You can always listen to some crap that is put out now, and go the 'I can do better than that' route.

Although this approach didn't help me write, after months of being told "dude, you should check out Ed Sheeran, he sounds just like you!" i finally heard a couple of tracks and, fuming in rage, i locked myself in my mates attic and finished recording my second album
 
You can't force song writing creativity.

I had really good chorus lyrics that suddenly came to mind recently. I wrote them down and stored the melody in my head. lol

If verses leading up that that chorus are worthwhile.....they'll come to me....without forcing them.
 
Inspiration comes from life. I do my best songwriting when I'm depressed. I go to my workstation and find a drum beat that sounds good to me at that time. I then play around on the keys until again, something sounds good. And it keeps building and building from there. It's all about what sounds good. Next, when it comes to words, I listen to the music and think "How does this make me feel? What does this remind me of? What kind of story does this sound like?" and I write whatever moves me. I think it's a hard process to describe because I feel it's spontaneous and supernatural; as someone wrote earlier, it's like Somebody already wrote it and is birthing it through me. So all I can recommend is to get more in touch with your emotions, find things that cause an emotional reaction within you, observe nature and paintings. I also agree that it can be something you sit down at the piano and decide to do because I've had that work for me too, but I think it's easiest when you don't try to force it or go to the piano or guitar thinking "I'm gonna write a song today." Just try to have fun! Use the music as a way to express and release whatever you're feeling because it's like writing a diary, only sonically. And yes, the more you practice the better you'll get at it. I don't think what any of us write here will really give you a pat answer because making songs is a truly magical process and there's no real formula or button to press (unless you're trying to sound like today's manufactured mainstream junk, pass!). But don't ever give up. If this is something you really want to do and enjoy doing, you can find a way to do it. I noticed you wrote "hit random notes, try to make it sound right"...That's the problem: what to you is "sound right"? What are you looking for or comparing the music to? Because you might be overthinking it. It's like dancing: you do a move because it feels good and goes with the music; you don't think much else about it. Same thing with making a song: if this chord sounds great with that chord and this sound goes with that sound, then build off that, not any preconceived notion of what it "should" sound like. And if it helps, when I began songwriting many moons ago, I thought the stuff I did then was the bomb but now I look back and think, "Man, that wasn't so hot, but look at what I'm doing now!" and that shows improvement, so your songs and skills will get better over time. Hope that helps; probably didn't 'cause again it's hard to describe, but good luck and happy writing!
 
Inspiration comes from life. I do my best songwriting when I'm depressed. I go to my workstation and find a drum beat that sounds good to me at that time. I then play around on the keys until again, something sounds good. And it keeps building and building from there. It's all about what sounds good. Next, when it comes to words, I listen to the music and think "How does this make me feel? What does this remind me of? What kind of story does this sound like?" and I write whatever moves me. I think it's a hard process to describe because I feel it's spontaneous and supernatural; as someone wrote earlier, it's like Somebody already wrote it and is birthing it through me. So all I can recommend is to get more in touch with your emotions, find things that cause an emotional reaction within you, observe nature and paintings. I also agree that it can be something you sit down at the piano and decide to do because I've had that work for me too, but I think it's easiest when you don't try to force it or go to the piano or guitar thinking "I'm gonna write a song today." Just try to have fun! Use the music as a way to express and release whatever you're feeling because it's like writing a diary, only sonically. And yes, the more you practice the better you'll get at it. I don't think what any of us write here will really give you a pat answer because making songs is a truly magical process and there's no real formula or button to press (unless you're trying to sound like today's manufactured mainstream junk, pass!). But don't ever give up. If this is something you really want to do and enjoy doing, you can find a way to do it. I noticed you wrote "hit random notes, try to make it sound right"...That's the problem: what to you is "sound right"? What are you looking for or comparing the music to? Because you might be overthinking it. It's like dancing: you do a move because it feels good and goes with the music; you don't think much else about it. Same thing with making a song: if this chord sounds great with that chord and this sound goes with that sound, then build off that, not any preconceived notion of what it "should" sound like. And if it helps, when I began songwriting many moons ago, I thought the stuff I did then was the bomb but now I look back and think, "Man, that wasn't so hot, but look at what I'm doing now!" and that shows improvement, so your songs and skills will get better over time. Hope that helps; probably didn't 'cause again it's hard to describe, but good luck and happy writing!

Take out every third word of your response here, and you just wrote the international anthem for this forum. :)
 
I really meant that, as an abstract way to create a tension. Not to disrespect your thoughts, in any way.

It actually works.
 
Welcome back

Welcome back from the dead, John. (The rumor was that Paul was dead!). You should have some inspiration for some great goth, death metal lyrics. Then again, no one can understand the screams lyrics anyway!
Seriously,my inspiration comes from observation of any of my surroundings,especially people watching. Then there's deep thought about whatever is on NPR. And finally, just jamming around. Kinda like everyone else has said.
 
Certainly agree with filing away an idea. I purchased a Zoom portable recorder just for this purpose, It switches on instantly so I can jot down the idea and return to it. Also I have been inspired by listening to a song and then writing something completely different. I also find if you have a goal, for example someone requires a new theme for a radio program, I try writing it. Also trying to compose music for a silenced movie can help. My best songs were written in a few minutes though when they just struck out of the blue, as in channelling for somewhere else. Many writers I have noticed use this method, and that is where the "jot it down" method works well, otherwise it is forgotten just as quickly.
 
You can't force song writing creativity.
Yes you can. People who write jingles, soundtracks, TV and movie music and who are on a deadline do exactly that. Whether you want to call it forcing creativity or whether you want to call it "the necessary discipline required to get a job done to order" makes little difference.
The Brill building songwriters writing hits to order in the late 50s/early 60s, the Motown experience in the early, mid and late 60s, Andrew Loog Oldham delivering the ultimatum to Jagger and Richards to "write songs" as they couldn't cover blues stuff all their lives, Lennon and McCartney getting together for the specific purpose of writing songs {and coming up with them}, George Harrison writing "Don't bother me" as an excercize to see whether he could write a song, the guys from Genesis and other groups like Yes getting together specifically to write songs......the examples are too numerous to mention. One is not always in the mood to be creative. One is not always 'inspired' to write. In those instances, that's when the craft of songwriting kicks in. Some would call it forced creativity. Good luck with that because whether the song is forced, whether it came in a dream, whether it was inspired by particular events, the end result is the same. We can't really tell how particular songs came into being.
A couple of interesting historical notes. When the Beatles came to record "Rubber soul" in the October of 1965, they were tired from and of touring, they had a tight deadline to meet {the record had to be released in time for the christmas market}......and they had no real songs. In the space of less than one month they came up with and recorded 16 songs and later, admitted that "Day tripper" had been 'forced'. In his book "The Beatles' recording sessions" Mark Lewisohn says "For the first time, John and Paul had to force themselves to come up with material". "Rubber soul" turned out to be the turning point album in not only British rock, but rock in general. Artists really started conceiving of albums differently after that.
A year or so later, The Who were about to go into the studio to record and Pete Townshend asked John Entwistle if he'd gotten round to writing some songs yet. He was always trying to encourage the others to write but they wouldn't. So to shut him up, Entwistle said he'd written one, thinking that would be the end of the matter but Townshend asked him what it was called. He blurted out the first thing that came to mind, "oh, it's called 'Boris the spider' ". So he had to go home that night and write a song called "Boris the spider". He did so. It's a fantastic, groundbreaking piece of music. Apparently it was his first song and took him a few minutes.
A few years later after most of the writing and recording had been done on "Tommy", Nik Cohn the journalist was telling Pete Townshend that he wasn't going to give it a great review as it was a bit inaccessible. Townshend, knowing Cohn loved pinball, asked if there was a song about pinball, would that make him happy and Cohn said yeah. So he went and wrote "Pinball wizard" and gave it central part in his story, this deaf, dumb and blind kid being a masterful pinball player.
Free's "Alright now" came about from the specific desire to write something anthemic that their crowds could chant like football crowds did.
David Bowie was being deliberately topical in "Space oddity" as the moon landings were coming up. Tony Visconti refused to produce it because he felt it was a forced blatant cash in which is why Gus Dudgeon ended up producing.
In the 80s when recording the "October" LP, Bono had to improvise lyrics to many of the songs because the original lyrics had been in a bag that got nicked.
The history of music is packed with examples of 'forced creativity'. Lots of writers have little trouble with it !

I think it's a hard process to describe
That's for sure. I think of it as easy to discuss endlessly but impossible to describe.
I think it's easiest when you don't try to force it or go to the piano or guitar thinking "I'm gonna write a song today."
It may well be easier but you most certainly can go to the piano or guitar and say "I'm going to write a song today". Presuming of course, that you can noodle about on the guitar or piano !
Just try to have fun!
There seems to be this misconception that writing in a disciplined way isn't fun. I beg to differ ~ voraciously. For some people getting up in the morning or afternoon with a blank sheet and no ideas and going through the process of creating a song is the greatest fun one can have. By the same token, it is by no means a 'given' that the songs that seem to write themselves or are 'inspired' are automatically going to be fun, either.

because making songs is a truly magical process and there's no real formula or button to press
This, however, I believe almost wholeheartedly. Though there are formulas, whichever way you approach it, it's certainly a mysterious process. That which is mysterious can be made common through repetition, but that doesn't take away it's mysterious qualities.
 
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Yes you can. . . . The Brill building songwriters writing hits to order in the late 50s/early 60s . . .

Speaking of Brill, Lieber and Stoller were commissioned to write an album's worth of songs for some artist (I think it was Elvis). They were given a month, and were housed in a hotel somewhere in New York to do it. Story is that they had a grand old time living it up in New York, but did not write a note for the whole time they were there . . . except on the very last night, when they penned the fourteen songs in a few hours.

On a personal note, these days moments of illuminating creativity are very rare for me. So if I want to write something, I have to make myself do it, because if I wait for inspiration, I will be waiting a long time. Nevertheless, I don't find it too difficult to come up with material when the urgency to do it is there. For example, I often collaborate with a violinist. We will get together to record something, with nothing ready to record . . . so we just create it there and then.
 
On a daily basis when I try to make a song, I sit down behind the keyboard, kinda clueless, hit random notes, try to make it sound right, yet most of the time walk away in disappointment.

I learned scales, and improvisation hoping that would help me.
I also listened to various artists, and tried to figure out the structures of their songs as a foundation for myself.

Can anyone help me? I don't want to give up making music..
I don't know if you're into reading, but if you are, a book most definitely worth reading is Hunter Davies' 1968 biography of the Beatles. There is a large section on them and their songwriting. Davies was a fly on the wall during 1967 and recorded much of their process during "Sergeant Pepper" and "Magical mystery tour" and he records the creation {as much as one can} of a number of songs as well as their thoughts on others. It wasn't much commented on at the time but it was, in retrospect, a really far sighted piece of work. It coincided with the time that young people were being made aware of the importance of the songs that other young men and women were coming up with and serious rock journalism was beginning it's evolutionary journey.

As an amusing excercize, try this; take the riff of a heavy metal song you like and work out the sequence backwards. Slow it down, put part of it in waltz time, part of it in the reggae style and come up with a 1 1/2 ~ 2 minute piece, just something basic and simple on whatever instrument you're comfortable with.
Lyrically, write a simple 8 line {no more, no less} poem that fits {or if you know anyone that is OK with lyrics, ask them if they'd have a go}. Subject matter is your choice, but if you can't think of what to write about then just write the first thing that comes into your head, no matter how ridiculous it sounds and force a melody to carry it if the music you have come up with hasn't suggested one. Then using that first line, continue to a second line and so on. Pretend it's a matter of life and death like the story of Rumpelstiltskin.
Do this enough times and you may well find that there are more songs in you than currently seems decent and lawful to speak of..........
 
I have to agree with grimtraveller. While I am sure that inspiration was the spark of many great songs, people knowing and practicing/improving their craft resulted in the majority of great songs. If you want to write songs, do it every day or whenever you have time. It doesn't matter it the stuff you write is good, bad, or stellar, as long as you learn something from the experience. Eventually all that practice at song writing may pay off and you will one day find yourself writing something you are proud off. It is like tennis, you don't just pick up a tennis racket one day and play a U.S. Open, you need to practice, practice, practice. I know there are cases where someone, out of the blue, wrote a classic song that everyone knows, but that is the exception, not the rule. Think of song writing skills as a set of muscles, they need to be exercised constantly. So write, write, write and at first to worry about good or bad, just get those muscles into shape.
 
My short form: Depending on your style, take hallucinogenic drugs or fall in love. The bottom line- DO SOMETHING! Take up martial arts, learn stock car racing, try skydiving. Writing songs does not inspire songwriting. Go pet your cat. Don't you have anything to say to her? Contemplate divorce. Have a heart attack. Go scuba diving. Have a three way with your wife, Faith Hill, and a goat. It doesn't matter what you do. Songs are about life. In order to write them better, it helps to have one. The best thing you can do to write songs is GET A LIFE. And- songwriting is not a life. It's a result of life.
 
My short form: Depending on your style, take hallucinogenic drugs or fall in love. The bottom line- DO SOMETHING! Take up martial arts, learn stock car racing, try skydiving. Writing songs does not inspire songwriting. Go pet your cat. Don't you have anything to say to her? Contemplate divorce. Have a heart attack. Go scuba diving. Have a three way with your wife, Faith Hill, and a goat. It doesn't matter what you do. Songs are about life. In order to write them better, it helps to have one. The best thing you can do to write songs is GET A LIFE. And- songwriting is not a life. It's a result of life.

I don't disagree with what you just wrote, what I was trying to do was look at song writing from a different perspective. My best material was written from inspiration. What I am saying is that all the inspiration in the world won't do you any good if you don't have the skills or the tools to do something with it. Let's say you have a pile of lumber and are inspired to build a gazebo. You can see that gazebo in you mind, you know what you want it to look like, the size and color but you never took the time to learn any carpentry skills and you don't have any carpentry tools. All you end up with is an idea and a pile of lumber. The reasoning behind writing as often as you can and learning you craft is so that when inspiration strikes, you can do something with it.
 
I think that if you're so uninspired that you can't find simple inspiration from whatever is around you then you may be a hopeless cause. Songwriting is easy. Just write a song. It doesn't have to break ground and you don't have to re-invent the wheel. Just write whatever. People don't have to like it. It doesn't have to be good. None of that matters because tastes are subjective and meaningless. IMO inspiration is the easy part. Execution is the hard part. Turning your inspiration and what you hear in your head into an actual song is the work.
 
I think that if you're so uninspired that you can't find simple inspiration from whatever is around you then you may be a hopeless cause. Songwriting is easy. Just write a song. It doesn't have to break ground and you don't have to re-invent the wheel. Just write whatever. People don't have to like it. It doesn't have to be good. None of that matters because tastes are subjective and meaningless. IMO inspiration is the easy part. Execution is the hard part. Turning your inspiration and what you hear in your head into an actual song is the work.

+1

Too many people want to write what sells. Don't. Write for yourself. If you like it other people will too.
 
Too many people want to write what sells.Write for yourself. If you like it other people will too.
There's much truth in that. If you take "what sells" and call it "What's popular" then yeah. For example, local church writers that are writing for congregations aren't necessarilly writing to sell songs, just have them become popular and well thought of. The money doesn't come into it because the songs aren't being sold as such. However, the general principle holds true.
It may sound really selfish to say 'write for yourself' but realistically, that's the start point. And I would go as far as saying that whether you like your songs or not, it's impossible that not a single other person will not ! There will always be that one person, somewhere, that likes it. :D

Songs are about life. In order to write them better, it helps to have one. The best thing you can do to write songs is GET A LIFE. And- songwriting is not a life. It's a result of life.
There's a certain irony about this statement because in a way, many many well known and revered songwriters over the last 50 years actually have had little idea about real life, especially since the British rock explosion of the early 60s. It's notable how few popular artists actually go out and do real jobs for lengthy periods for example, a bit like the professional politicians we have in Britain.Their lives, their actual "everyday real get your hands dirty and face everyday struggles" kind of lives that everyone else has to live through almost cease to exist at a pretty young age and a kind of buffeted glass bubble takes over and a certain unreality becomes the well from which many of those writers draw from.
They still write great songs though. :D

I can't seem to get any inspiration for music.On a daily basis when I try to make a song, I sit down behind the keyboard, kinda clueless, hit random notes, try to make it sound right, yet most of the time walk away in disappointment.
Perhaps the hardest song to write is that first one. That's why I advocate keeping it simple if you're stuck.
 
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