Beginner buying a Lap top, please help :)

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Hi guys!
I am singer/songwriter saving for a small set up for my bedroom and need advice on a lap top.
I appreciate that MACs are favored for recording (by some) and I would save for one if I didn't find the operating system so difficult to use (you can imagine what I'd be like on logic!....the answer is: terrible! ha-ha!)

I would just be recording Vocals, acoustic guitar and some soft percussive instruments, I would be relying on the program for affects/synths/violins etc.
I've researched some things online but I am a real beginner here so I need to ask specific questions (help would be greatly appreciated :) )

Do I need a fire wire jack?
What program should I use to record? (user friendly) and finally
What lap top should I get?

Thanks,
Emz
 
I think that you need a microphone before anything else. Why a Laptop? You were planing on recording directly to a laptop or it is about the mastering / sound edit software that concerns you? If you don't have a computer or need one, you can buy a cheap laptop between $400 - $500 and then buy a good handheld recorder (portable studio) from Tascam or Zoom brands (for example).

Forget the myth about Mac computers being superior when they are just in a reality an expensive PC lacking expandability and customization but with good overall building quality and good looks. While they have a good software package for sound / video editing you can do exactly the same thing with a PC, you will actually find more software available for PC in every area, plus you don't need to learn how to handle the Mac OS (which I totally understand your pain). The cost of an Apple computer will let you buy all the equipment you need. Believe me, I manage a nearly 200 computers daily where PCs and Macs coexist, though there are only a handful of macs here, for obvious reasons lol.

I hope it helped.
 
Well, I think you're not going for a professional sound quality, so I suggest you to buy a decent laptop with enough ram and a processor that won't freeze up when you open couple softwares. Now you can't record with just the laptop, you need a mic. USB mic would be the cheapest way to go, although I've heard they aren't as good as "traditional" mics (can I even say that? :D) coupled with audio interfaces.

As for software, check Reaper; it's really cheap and works really nicely. You have to study to understand how to use it first, like with all software.
 
I bought my buddy's 6-year old Macbook for my latest album...it ran Logic Pro 8 like a champ; I never experienced latency issues or crashes of any kind.
 
Hey there. A few things first.

All DAWs (Digital Audio Workstations), also known as the 'recording program' are going to be a little difficult to understand if you're a complete beginner. So you'll probably have to watch some tutorials on youtube or something in the very least. Also, Apple laptops are pretty expensive, so if portability is not an issue, and recording your music is the main priority of the computer than you should just get a PC desktop for roughly the same price (and it will have a lot more power and therefore better for recording audio digitally), or maybe even an iMac which is a bit cheaper and more powerful than a Macbook Pro.

Firewire vs USB: And yes Firewire 400 or 800 interfaces tend to be better than USB, and USB 2.0 interfaces because of the higher possible transfer rate with Firewire than early USBs. The higher transfer rate means it can transfer more data quicker and will therefore have a lot less latency (will get to that later). The problem with Firewire though is that it is becoming rarer as USB 3.0 was released which is very fast. THE PROBLEM IS NO ONE IS MAKING USB 3.0 INTERFACES!!!

So if you can get your hands on a good, affordable computer with a Firewire port on the motherboard than do it. They do make Firewire cards that can be connected to non-Firewire motherboards/computers and they are rather cheap so it isn't THAT much of an issue. I'm sure someone at Bestbuy or Tiger Direct (or any computer store) could install one for you if you think it's tough.

The Audio Interface: So naturally I'm sure you realized that you will need something to actually plug in the microphone and headphones to, and then connect ultimately to the computer. This is the audio interface. These are basically external sound cards. And yes they come in either USB or Firewire connections. You'll find the Firewire ones are slightly more expensive for the reasons stated above, but they are definitely worth it. I actually recommend beginners to buy Firewire over USB because I mentioned something called 'latency' which USB interfaces are more prone to. Latency means that there is a delay between what you are playing and recording and what you'll actually be hearing coming back from the computer. So lets say you recorded your drums and now you want to play along and record your guitar overdubbed on top of it. Well, if the soundcard and audio drivers (programs that sync soundcards to your operating system) are bad and have a lot of latency you will find it very difficult to ignore and will make everything sound off timing. You'll experience latency with all interfaces but good ones can get it down to about 5-10ms which is not noticeable at all. I recommend Presonus Firewire interfaces for PC like the Firestudio Mobile which costs around $300, and Apogee for Macs - even though the Apogees are USB they are designed specifically for Apple so they work very well and have very little bad latency.

DAW (recording program): You're familiar with Logic and you said it was hard to use, but was it Logic Express or some other version of Logic? Unfortunately, either way, Logic is actually considered to be relatively 'simple and easy to use' in the world of DAWs so if you're having trouble with that than others may be really difficult for you :P. Logic of course is only compatible with Macs. There are other entry level DAWs for around $99-249 like Steinberg Cubase Elements 6, and Cakewalk Sonar X2 Essentials. The former is compatible with both PCs and Macs, and the latter is only compatible with PC. These are my favourite entry level DAWs personally but look around. Someone mentioned Reaper which is great for beginner type stuff, but you mentioned you wanted to add synths and digital instruments, and Reaper isn't nearly as good at that as DAWs like Cubase, Sonar, Logic etc, are. Another thing, if you buy a new computer and DAW, make sure the operating system is a 64-bit version and same with the DAW! 64-bit OSs and programs are becoming the standard and will be much more 'future-proof' than 32-bit ones. To be honest I don't even know if they actually still sell 32-bit Windows 7 at chains, but they definitely still try and sell a lot of 32-bit version DAWs - don't buy them.

The Computer: Whether it's an Apple or PC, laptop or desktop, just make sure it has:

1) An ATX motherboard
2) A good 64 bit operating system. I recommend Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit edition for PC, or whatever the latest OS X is for Apple (they are all 64 bit).
3) A lot of ram! 4GB and over is desirable. Speed/frequency (MHz) of the ram doesn't really matter, just make sure it has a high amount of memory (high gigabyte number). Luckily ram is also rather cheap.
4) A good CPU! I use the Intel Sandy Bridge 2500K personally. Great for the money. If you get an Intel Sandy Bridge, or Ivy Bridge processor make sure the motherboard is an LGA1155 socket type!
5) A hard drive with lots of space! The higher the RPM the better. I use a solid state drive. They are even much faster than regular hard drives but they tend to have less space to price ratio. A good SATA 3 6.0gbs solid state drive costs around $150-$200 for 256GBs.

At the end of the day it's cheaper to buy all of these parts separately than to buy a prebuilt computer from Dell, HP, or Apple, just make sure you have someone who knows how to build computers. It isn't really that hard so ask around, maybe someone in your area can do it for cheap.
 
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Hey there. A few things first.

All DAWs (Digital Audio Workstations), also known as the 'recording program' are going to be a little difficult to understand if you're a complete beginner. So you'll probably have to watch some tutorials on youtube or something in the very least. Also, Apple laptops are pretty expensive, so if portability is not an issue, and recording your music is the main priority of the computer than you should just get a PC desktop for roughly the same price (and it will have a lot more power and therefore better for recording audio digitally), or maybe even an iMac which is a bit cheaper and more powerful than a Macbook Pro.

Firewire vs USB: And yes Firewire 400 or 800 interfaces tend to be better than USB, and USB 2.0 interfaces because of the higher possible transfer rate with Firewire than early USBs. The higher transfer rate means it can transfer more data quicker and will therefore have a lot less latency (will get to that later). The problem with Firewire though is that it is becoming rarer as USB 3.0 was released which is very fast. THE PROBLEM IS NO ONE IS MAKING USB 3.0 INTERFACES!!!

So if you can get your hands on a good, affordable computer with a Firewire port on the motherboard than do it. They do make Firewire cards that can be connected to non-Firewire motherboards/computers and they are rather cheap so it isn't THAT much of an issue. I'm sure someone at Bestbuy or Tiger Direct (or any computer store) could install one for you if you think it's tough.

The Audio Interface: So naturally I'm sure you realized that you will need something to actually plug in the microphone and headphones to, and then connect ultimately to the computer. This is the audio interface. These are basically external sound cards. And yes they come in either USB or Firewire connections. You'll find the Firewire ones are slightly more expensive for the reasons stated above, but they are definitely worth it. I actually recommend beginners to buy Firewire over USB because I mentioned something called 'latency' which USB interfaces are more prone to. Latency means that there is a delay between what you are playing and recording and what you'll actually be hearing coming back from the computer. So lets say you recorded your drums and now you want to play along and record your guitar overdubbed on top of it. Well, if the soundcard and audio drivers (programs that sync soundcards to your operating system) are bad and have a lot of latency you will find it very difficult to ignore and will make everything sound off timing. You'll experience latency with all interfaces but good ones can get it down to about 5-10ms which is not noticeable at all. I recommend Presonus Firewire interfaces for PC like the Firestudio Mobile which costs around $300, and Apogee for Macs - even though the Apogees are USB they are designed specifically for Apple so they work very well and have very little bad latency.

DAW (recording program): You're familiar with Logic and you said it was hard to use, but was it Logic Express or some other version of Logic? Unfortunately, either way, Logic is actually considered to be relatively 'simple and easy to use' in the world of DAWs so if you're having trouble with that than others may be really difficult for you :P. Logic of course is only compatible with Macs. There are other entry level DAWs for around $99-249 like Steinberg Cubase Elements 6, and Cakewalk Sonar X2 Essentials. The former is compatible with both PCs and Macs, and the latter is only compatible with PC. These are my favourite entry level DAWs personally but look around. Someone mentioned Reaper which is great for beginner type stuff, but you mentioned you wanted to add synths and digital instruments, and Reaper isn't nearly as good at that as DAWs like Cubase, Sonar, Logic etc, are. Another thing, if you buy a new computer and DAW, make sure the operating system is a 64-bit version and same with the DAW! 64-bit OSs and programs are becoming the standard and will be much more 'future-proof' than 32-bit ones. To be honest I don't even know if they actually still sell 32-bit Windows 7 at chains, but they definitely still try and sell a lot of 32-bit version DAWs - don't buy them.

The Computer: Whether it's an Apple or PC, laptop or desktop, just make sure it has:

1) An ATX motherboard
2) A good 64 bit operating system. I recommend Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit edition for PC, or whatever the latest OS X is for Apple (they are all 64 bit).
3) A lot of ram! 4GB and over is desirable. Speed/frequency (MHz) of the ram doesn't really matter, just make sure it has a high amount of memory (high gigabyte number). Luckily ram is also rather cheap.
4) A good CPU! I use the Intel Sandy Bridge 2500K personally. Great for the money. If you get an Intel Sandy Bridge, or Ivy Bridge processor make sure the motherboard is an LGA1155 socket type!
5) A hard drive with lots of space! The higher the RPM the better. I use a solid state drive. They are even much faster than regular hard drives but they tend to have less space to price ratio. A good SATA 3 6.0gbs solid state drive costs around $150-$200 for 256GBs.

At the end of the day it's cheaper to buy all of these parts separately than to buy a prebuilt computer from Dell, HP, or Apple, just make sure you have someone who knows how to build computers. It isn't really that hard so ask around, maybe someone in your area can do it for cheap.

Well, I don't think he is talking about investing that much as he didn't mention anything about professional sound quality but he is actually a beginner in the field. I think a 4 track hand recorder (with some decent mics) would get him started and save him from most of his problems like latency and the high cost of buying a powerful computer. What do you think?
 
Okay, let's return to the land of reality here.

Firewire has become more scarce than hen's teeth--but, unless you want to record/playback more than 16 simultaneous tracks, USB2 will perform flawlessly (and is a lot less fussy about chip sets, plug in order, etc.). Oh, and I've yet to see latency affected to any signifcant extent by the choice of Firewire or USB, especially on only 1 or 2 tracks at a time.

For your interface, think about how many simultaneous inputs you might need. For a beginner, 1 or 2 mic inputs is likely enough. Pay attention to the monitoring capabilities...you want "direct hardware monitoring" and an ability to mix your live mic with pre recorded tracks. Frankly, any of the common names make decent interfaces.

Finally, one thing rarely mentioned. Look for a laptop with the ability to feed a separate monitor at the same time as the built in screen. Sound mixing wants a lot of screen real estate and you'll soon be looking for a second hand VGA monitor on eBay.

Get the best processor within your budget...i7 is nice but there are lots of people making good music on i5 or even i3.

I have no idea what brand of motherboard my laptop has but it works fine.

Have a think about the software you'll be using before deciding between 32 bit and 64 bit. Most DAWs will run happily on either--but a lot of VST plugins are 32 bit only and require a bridge to work on 64 bit. Bridges are an unreliable pain in the butt.

Yes, as much RAM as you can afford--4GB minimum and 8 or 16GB even better.

Assuming a conventional HDD (as opposed to a solid state one) get a model that spins at 7200rpm.

Two drives are better than one--operating system and DAW on one drive and track data on another. If you can't get a laptop with two drives, an external one can work for you.
 
Any laptop should work fine with DAWs like Reaper as long as you don't run other resource hunger like Motu CueMix. My ten-year old HP laptop works fine recording with Reaper and Motu 828M3 Firewire. Though I'd do the editing on a desktop.

If you have powerful laptop with multi-core CPUs, USB may be fine for interface, otherwise stick with firewire. Firewire may be slower than USB 3, but the it has a major advantage that it does not requires a lot computer CPU time as firewire chips can handle all the communication by itself whereas USB depends on computer CPU a lot. If the computer is really busy, you may experience dropped signals over the USB. That said, USB is simpler to setup.
 
Well, I don't think he is talking about investing that much as he didn't mention anything about professional sound quality but he is actually a beginner in the field. I think a 4 track hand recorder (with some decent mics) would get him started and save him from most of his problems like latency and the high cost of buying a powerful computer. What do you think?

I believe Emz is a girl.

Everything I listed can be purchased for under $1500. She mentioned laptops, and software, so I'm sure she knows it will run in that price range. Multitrack recorders are good for the price, and are great options for songwriters, but it's 2012... Almost everything is done using a computer because almost everyone owns a computer, and also for the fact that they are much, much easier to mix with due to the elegance of the DAW, compared to a small LED screen hand recorded (if it's even good enough to have one). Multitrack recorders can be very frustrating and make recording and mixing take much longer than a computer to audio interface setup.
 
I just finished laying down some tracks on my little samsung netbook with a minimalist usb interface (M-Audio Fast Track 2) and it seemed to handle it just fine. Granted only put down 5 tracks :)

My point being, most new computers are very capable these days. Likely anything you buy will work with any DAW, but you want something that will work with tomorrows DAW :) So be sure to get something that has a dinkload of RAM, or at least support for alot of RAM (16GB+) and a newer processor. If you're saving up, may as well go for an i7, or whatever is top of the line at the time.

Unless portability is a must, I highly recommend getting a nice desktop instead.. you'll get way more bang for your buck!
 
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