What is the deal with studio monitors?

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I have a question about powered studio monitors. Correct me if I am wrong here but isn't a powered monitor a speaker cabinet with a set of speakers and an amplifier? How is that different than a speaker hooked to an amplifier? If everything on the external amplifier, in my case an integrated amp, is set to a neutral position why wouldn't it work just as well as a studio monitor for mixing?
 
Powered or active monitors are indeed speakers with amplifiers built in.
You can also buy passive studio monitors and a separate amplifier.

I suppose the reason for the former is that the amplifiers are going to be designed specifically for the enclosures and drivers.

Your external amplifier may be fine, but it may not. It just depends what it is and what it was designed to do.
If it was designed to sound nice, it's probably not a great 'reference' amplifier.
 
I have a question about powered studio monitors. Correct me if I am wrong here but isn't a powered monitor a speaker cabinet with a set of speakers and an amplifier? How is that different than a speaker hooked to an amplifier? If everything on the external amplifier, in my case an integrated amp, is set to a neutral position why wouldn't it work just as well as a studio monitor for mixing?

It could, but I think you would need speakers!
 
Mixing from my PA sucks, i have a Pair of 3x10 columns off 1 amp, and a pair of 12" foldbacks with horns, at 40% volume or more, i can mix with it, just. at lower volumes, i loose a big chunk of midrange feel, and a signal that the lower end of the PA can handle will spank most other speakers. and decent studio monitors are bi-amped, with different watt amps, makes a huge difference to the top end not having the bass driver sucking most of the power out of the tweeter. just my 2c.
 
It could, but I think you would need speakers!
Wow, how silly of me...speakers. No wonder I couldn't hear anything. :facepalm: I suppose I could hook up my Bose 501s.

But seriously y'all, shouldn't my 501s and my Sansui AU517 integrated amp be more than sufficient for someone like me who just wants to write and record and maybe produce a few CD's or cassettes for family and friends?
 
Hi James
P.A. speakers usually have a very different response to studio monitors especially when being used at a reasonable listening level of around 65 - 85dB. (I'd *love* to have a well treated mix room big enough to have a thumping set of PA speakers to use as my mixing reference!) :) :)
The idea with studio monitors is that they help the engineer get a 'balanced' mix (lots of caveats inserted here do to with standing waves, monitor decoupling, room treatment, quality of monitors used etc, etc, etc) that translates well into most listening environments. P.A. speakers may also have been designed to enhance the mids to permit clarity of the vocal region, and you might compensate for this by reducing this frequency range in your mix. You'd be better off getting a pair of reference monitors for general mixing then run the track through the P.A. at concert level for a little while to see how it translates up loud.
BTW, if you *do* have a large, well treated mix room let me know when I can book time to play my mixes up loud on your P.A. system! :) :)

Dags
 
Correct me if I am wrong here but isn't a powered monitor a speaker cabinet with a set of speakers and an amplifier? How is that different than a speaker hooked to an amplifier?

The advantage of active monitors is that the whole kit and kaboodle were engineered, designed and matched (if the maker did their job).

Mixing and matching amps to speakers can introduce (posible/maybe) sonic variations.
 
But seriously y'all, shouldn't my 501s and my Sansui AU517 integrated amp be more than sufficient for someone like me who just wants to write and record and maybe produce a few CD's or cassettes for family and friends?

Yes, absolutely.
I started mixing songs for my own listening pleasure and for college (read: extremely amateur ;) ) film projects decades ago using hifi speakers (they were fairly large so fairly good bass response) and the mixes I was getting were more than adequate for this purpose.
Use what you have to develop your skills before falling into the gearlust trap that most of us have buried ourselves in :)

Dags
 
Thanks guys. I have been using headphones to mix but just about everyone here on the forum says that is not the best way to mix. I understand that now. I was thinking that using a stereo system should work if I didn't have an EQ in the system and on the amp turned off the loudness and set the bass and treble controls to the center neutral position it should be close a studio monitor system. I will try it as see what happens.

You are right Dags, I don't want to fall into the "gearlust trap." Not only can I not afford it, I am using a Tascam 244 and I don't think there are a whole lot of gizmos that I can use with it.
 
Some agree, some don't, but I don't see the problem with using a decent home speaker setup as long as it is decent and you get to know it well.
Listen to as much familiar music as you can to really get to know the system. That'll help a lot with translation.
 
Me again, i have a set of event asp6's on the way, i do have a large reasonably treated room, and i do check everything i mix thru the PA, we use the songs at gigs between sets, but the cost is huge on your ears mixing at that vol, try it one day. and the bit about hi fi gear, i love my NAD 3020 and some homebuit speakers for checking mixes.
 
Hi Dags, i have been using the PA to track our songs, ive got about 20 songs to pick thru to put on an album. now the trackings over, im trying to get serious about getting these down well. a set of event asp6's are my xmas pres to me. hope these do the job. i wasnt to worried about doing ruff mixes thru the PA, we were only using those mixes for songs between sets, and they were played thru the same PA they were mixed on. Im near Wagga if you ever want to try mixing at 140Db, its fun for the first 15 mins.
 
Not all powered speakers are "studio" monitors", and not all "studio" monitors are powered.

Having said that, any company can put the word "studio" on their speakers and sell them, but it doesn't mean they're any better than so-called "hi-fi" speakers.
 
Not all powered speakers are "studio" monitors", and not all "studio" monitors are powered.

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And not all 'studio' 'monitors' are studio monitors.
In fact .... at price points a lot of us buy speakers at (say 300 a pr. and down) .... NONE of them are really any better than a decent set of bookshelfs.
 
isn't a powered monitor a speaker cabinet with a set of speakers and an amplifier? How is that different than a speaker hooked to an amplifier?

I'm surprise nobody mentioned the advantage of bi-amping and active crossovers. Powered monitors have other advantages too. The text below is from my Audio Expert book.

--Ethan

The Audio Expert said:
There are many advantages of active monitors for the typical project studio, besides a simpler hookup with fewer pieces to carry if you ever do remote recordings: Active speakers are typically bi-amped, which yields less distortion as already explained. Bi-amping also offers more ways to optimize the crossover performance because it uses active rather than passive components, as was also explained. Further, using an active crossover increases headroom within each band by segregating the bands. That is, if the amplifier that powers the bass range clips at a very loud volume, high frequencies are still reproduced cleanly unless that amplifier is also driven into distortion.

Further, the power amplifiers can be well matched to the speakers, they won’t have a fan, and the wires between each power amp and its speaker are shorter, which might improve damping. (Amplifier damping is explained in Chapter 21.) An active loudspeaker can also contain DSP circuitry to counter frequency response errors in the drivers themselves and to add any needed delays so frequencies near the crossover point emit from both drivers at the same time. This not only improves frequency response, but it can also reduce the radiating directivity problem known as lobing, which will be described shortly. But to me, the overwhelming advantage of powered monitors, as implemented in Mackie speakers anyway, is that the woofer cone’s mechanical motion is included within the power amplifier’s electrical feedback loop. This improves low-frequency response, reduces ringing at the port’s resonant cutoff frequency, counters thermal compression in the voice coil, and reduces driver distortion.

Negative feedback will be explained more fully in Chapter 21. But briefly for now, negative feedback lets an amplifier circuit self-correct its own output signal to reduce distortion and frequency response errors. A portion of the output is fed back to the input, but with the polarity reversed. So if the amplifier’s output is not an exact voltage-multiple of its input at a given point in time, its input receives more or less of the feedback signal. The amplifier in turn sends more or less signal to its output to compensate, which forces the output to better match the input. With an active speaker, the amplifier can be designed to sense the amount of current being drawn by the driver and compare that to the amount of current that should be drawn for a given input signal. If the two do not match, which means the driver is distorting or ringing, the amplifier varies its output signal to compensate.

Finally, pre-distortion as described in Chapter 6 for use with analog tape recorders can also be applied to active speakers. As long as the driver’s characteristics are known—which it should be in a commercial design!—a circuit can apply amplitude boost to exactly counter the compression that occurs as a driver’s cone approaches its excursion limits. However, this is not the same as including the driver’s motion within the amplifier’s feedback loop allowing correction in real time, so external effects such as thermal compression won’t be countered.
 
I'm surprise nobody mentioned the advantage of bi-amping and active crossovers. Powered monitors have other advantages too. The text below is from my Audio Expert book.

--Ethan

I did, about 8 posts up :listeningmusic:
 
LOL! I'm in Victoria. I could probably hear your mixes from here :)

I did have a neighbour ring one night to tell us the second verse of an offspring song the singer didnt remember, from 2 blocks away, they didnt seem pissed, she said it was one of her favorite songs, but we started the soundproofing the next week.
 
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