How do you usually establish a tempo?

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Sorry I didn't mean to cause bad feelings. I'm quite new to recording and was just sharing my approach. It seems to be that most people prefer recording with a click track, so when I next record some music I'll give it more of a chance and practice playing along to one more because I'm definitely not used to it.
 
Sorry I didn't mean to cause bad feelings. I'm quite new to recording and was just sharing my approach. It seems to be that most people prefer recording with a click track, so when I next record some music I'll give it more of a chance and practice playing along to one more because I'm definitely not used to it.
I don't think you've caused bad feelings. Over the last couple of years, it's become surprizingly, one of the hot topics here and it generally arouses heated debate and inflamed passions.

My own take on it is that wherever possible, get used to recording with and without. You do yourself no harm whatsoever by being able to play with a metronome. It is so often a really handy thing and because there is always the possibility you'll record with others, there's a more than good chance that you'll run into many musicians who are dedicated click users. You need to take them into account.

Also, bear in mind that many home recorders are one person operations or will lay down tracks with a view to a drummer or percussionist laying down their stuff after the event so a definite time reference can be crucial there. It's also brilliant for editing, aligning, inserting other bits etc. I often say that you'd expect a drummer to keep solid time. You wouldn't want to play with someone that would say "by the way, my timekeeping is pretty ropey and I wander all over the place......". But there's nothing robotic or stiff about a drummer with solid, unwavering timing. So why should a click be ?

At the same time, by playing to one and playing music with other people, you should learn to be tight and therefore, you should, if you're going to lay down initial tracks with others, also be able to record without one, especially if your approach is a little looser with more space given to improvisation or if you're open to sudden impulses that take a piece in an unforseen direction.
Either way, learning to be solid and tight is the key as is being versatile enough to record with and {as opposed to or} without a click.
 
When I started playing drums I thought my timing was great. One day my uncle asked me to play with him (he's been playing guitar for about 20,25 years). About one bar in he stopped, told me my timing was horrible, and left. I thought he was being a little too dramatic, so I tested myself and played to a metronome (for the first time). I was shocked to find out I couldn't play with it at all. That was a huge reality check, but after a lot of practice I'm fine with it now. Long story short, everyone should play to a click (doesn't matter what instrument) when starting out. After you get the hang of it, leave it if you want. But having that skill is absolutely essential.
 
When I started playing drums I thought my timing was great. One day my uncle asked me to play with him (he's been playing guitar for about 20,25 years). About one bar in he stopped, told me my timing was horrible, and left. I thought he was being a little too dramatic, so I tested myself and played to a metronome (for the first time). I was shocked to find out I couldn't play with it at all. That was a huge reality check, but after a lot of practice I'm fine with it now. Long story short, everyone should play to a click (doesn't matter what instrument) when starting out. After you get the hang of it, leave it if you want. But having that skill is absolutely essential.


Many people that object to clicks would never admit that their timing was less than perfect.
I've suggested in the past that they do a simple test and compare their timing to a click (as you did) and it will convince most anyone that it's not that simple keeping solid time for 4-5 minutes....which is critical when doing multi-track recording with lots of overdubs.

A whole band playing together is a different story, though even then, the players need to be conscious of timing.
I totally agree that playing with a metronome can only improve your timing when playing without one...so it's no surprise that music teachers have been using metronomes for the last couple of hundred years.
 
Couple hundred years aside, if you have perfect 'time', you don't need to play with a metronome ever.

What you need to do, is give us a name for your mythical character, so that we can make believe to worship you.

Then make fun of your persistence.....

:D :D :D
 
Talking about tempos though, have someone who hasn't heard the song yet listen to it and tell you if it's too fast or not. I've been in bands where we had all the tempos locked down, but we were so close to the music that we still recorded some songs too fast or slow.
 
I often find that it's the arrangement and the lyrics that drive the tempo selection. How you play the different parts and the lyric structure.
There usually a "feels right" tempo to within +/- 2 BPM either way (sometimes it's absolute to one BPM choice and nothing else). Anything more/less and it ends up feeling funny, or you have to compeletly change it up from a slow song to a fast song or vice versa, and vary the BPM more dramatically.
 
I always have trouble finding the temp of a song Esp When i record metal bands that temp change in the middle of songs, and don't even know they change tempo. Any help here?
 
In that type of situation, I create a MIDI drum track with the drummer to use as a click track, previous to tracking. Trying to find tempo later is almost a lost cause. Record with click track or just deal with what I have, has been my findings.
 
have someone who hasn't heard the song yet listen to it and tell you if it's too fast or not.
But how could that person possibly know ? What if they felt it was too fast or too slow ? And you didn't ? It would make more sense if they knew the song pretty well, then they could tell you if it was too fast. Otherwise you're just locked into someone's opinion of how they think it should be.
 
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