arcadeko
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so why do you hate it?
so why do you hate it?
Seeker of Rock
Proud fucking American
It depends on his needs, but it's certainly not backwards. My "clean" amp is a Super Reverb and the sound of it with a tubescreamer is awesome. Unless he only wants overdrive, then yeah get one that overdrives well. I love my Marshall, but the Fender totally smokes it in clean mode AND sounds great with a ts9 in front. Again, it depends on what he wants out of it.
Boss pedals tend to have a smoother, less raunchy sound than some other popular pedals. Useable, just not as raw in sound.
OP, Ibanez/Maxon have a really raunchy in-your-face-mids sound to their overdrives like the tubescreamers, which is why a lot of people like them. The OCD clips I've heard sound nice, too. Maxon has a reissue of the SD-9, Super Distortion (jacked up tubescreamer) if you're looking more gain than a standard ts.
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theD1CKENS
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I'm just tired of it. I've been using the MT-2 for well over a decade. I've gotten all the mileage I can get out of it.
my next pedal will probably be that HT-Dual you raved about. I researched it a good bit, and I'm pretty excited about it
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Greg_L
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No it doesn't. He said what his needs are and provided examples. What he doesn't need is a bunch of chintzy pedals thinning out his already wrong sound. What he needs is the right amp for the style he wants to play.
Seeker of Rock
Proud fucking American
It sounds like a good clean sound was important to him in his shopping, which is a great mode to have for most guitar players. As far as "chintzy pedals thinning out his sound," I know you are a good drummer and enjoy tracking guitar and all, but you're wrong o this. Good pedals are not going to thin the sound: to the contrary, they can make it much better. Getting an amp to overdrive for "punk" distortion, if that's all he wants it to do, is one viable solution, but not the only great-sounding solution by any means.
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Greg_L
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I might be mainly a drummer, but I've played live for over 20 years on guitar and/or with good guitarists with great gear. According to the examples he posted, he needs a better amp for the sound he wants, not a clean amp with a pedal in front. NOFX doesn't play Fender clean with pedals in front. They play Dual Recs. I understand that you're gonna argue because you have a trolling boner for me, but for the music this guy wants to play and the sound he's after, the right amp would be better than the wrong amp and pedals.
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theD1CKENS
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this is truth, and also the IDEAL way to get a good guitar sound.
it's also the most expensive way.
It might even be a good idea to look into an EQ pedal. or, if your amp has an FX loop, run your distortion thru that. I just tried this with an old 100 watt Peavey head with the MT-2 in the loop. it's amazing how much different my tone is. I should have done this years ago
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Greg_L
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That's the price you pay to sound good. If good = cheap, then no one would sound like ass.
Like I said earlier in this thread, I think he should just use what he has and make it work. That's the punk way. But if he is dead-set on sounding like the bands he mentioned, he needs a different amp.
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Treskalle
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If you're really punk, you should go ahead and make youre own pedal. Spend hours of experimenting with combination of fuzz/drive and distortion circuits. Otherwise, Tubescreamer is a nice pedal. Boss have some, but you didn't like them. My advise, you should look for some pedals from brands that are old and no one heard of. That way, if you find youre tone, no one else would have it!
ProCo's old Rat distortion is a really nice punk distortion as well. The old ones are a bit rare, but they definetly have the nicest tone.
From my point of view, overdrive/fuzz combined with a distortion is nice, the balance is youre style. But those genres give you the most "punk" sound
ProCo's old Rat distortion is a really nice punk distortion as well. The old ones are a bit rare, but they definetly have the nicest tone.
From my point of view, overdrive/fuzz combined with a distortion is nice, the balance is youre style. But those genres give you the most "punk" sound
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Seeker of Rock
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I argue because "chintzy pedals thinning your sound" was an idiotic statement and in 20 years of being around guitarists you should know better. Or stick to the drum and recording forums we you can offer input on subjects you actually know about.
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Greg_L
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You can't smartly argue my logic so you get butthurt and go on the attack. Typical seeker. Let it go.
I'll say it again:
Right amp > wrong amp + pedals
The wrong amp and a pedal never, ever sounds better than the right amp for the job.
Since I'm mainly just a lowly drummer, I'll put it into perspective: If I need a heavy ping from a ride cymbal for my sound, I'm not gonna use a splash cymbal and hope for the best. I'm not gonna put snare wires under a rack tom and hope it sounds like a snare. I'm not gonna tune a floor tom really tight trying to get a roto sound. Catch my drift? Right tool for the job. A Hot Rod with some crappy pedals in front is never gonna sound like a Marshall or a Mesa.
Or....he can just throw down with what he has and be happy about it. He's not gonna sound how he wants though.
I'll say it again:
Right amp > wrong amp + pedals
The wrong amp and a pedal never, ever sounds better than the right amp for the job.
Since I'm mainly just a lowly drummer, I'll put it into perspective: If I need a heavy ping from a ride cymbal for my sound, I'm not gonna use a splash cymbal and hope for the best. I'm not gonna put snare wires under a rack tom and hope it sounds like a snare. I'm not gonna tune a floor tom really tight trying to get a roto sound. Catch my drift? Right tool for the job. A Hot Rod with some crappy pedals in front is never gonna sound like a Marshall or a Mesa.
Or....he can just throw down with what he has and be happy about it. He's not gonna sound how he wants though.
Seeker of Rock
Proud fucking American
Don't get all defensive. You're using subjective words like "right" and "wrong." So I'll say it like this and it's true: Fender Hot Rod series are good amps with a very useable clean channel. With the right box in front of the clean channel, it's going to sound fantastic. I'm not a fan of the dirty channels on them, and not much is going to save that.
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Greg_L
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Not defensive, just factual. Your point is valid in general but this guy is looking for a specific sound that you aren't even considering. You're stuck on defending amps with clean channels. That's fine, but you're missing the point of what he asked and arguing just to argue because I'm right. For the sound this guy said that he wanted, he needs a different amp. It's that simple. Fender amps are awesome and do what they do very well. I love em. If he were looking for a variety of tones, then sure, slap a bunch of pedals in front of whatever. The sound he actually wants comes from a Mesa though. 
And I may have missed it, but I don't think he said what kind of guitar he's using, so it might all be moot.
And I may have missed it, but I don't think he said what kind of guitar he's using, so it might all be moot.
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theD1CKENS
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good point about maybe not having the right GUITAR for the job, too. that's actually a pretty big factor. maybe look into some new p'ups. helluva lot cheaper than a new amp, anyway. new p'ups+new pedal could be the sound you're looking for...or better yet, your very own sound
personally, I would say screw the "punk ethic" and invest in a variety of equipment. having multiple tools for multiple jobs is ALWAYS going to be better than trying to "make it work"...just sayin'
personally, I would say screw the "punk ethic" and invest in a variety of equipment. having multiple tools for multiple jobs is ALWAYS going to be better than trying to "make it work"...just sayin'
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theD1CKENS
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...and just so it's not overlooked, I'll say it again. experiment with the FX loop(if you have it)
I cannot stress how dramatic a difference it made in my sound. no kidding, it sounds like a new guitar, amp, AND peda
I cannot stress how dramatic a difference it made in my sound. no kidding, it sounds like a new guitar, amp, AND peda
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Greg_L
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Yes ^^^^^^^^^
Lkoz91
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Not defensive, just factual. Your point is valid in general but this guy is looking for a specific sound that you aren't even considering. You're stuck on defending amps with clean channels. That's fine, but you're missing the point of what he asked and arguing just to argue because I'm right. For the sound this guy said that he wanted, he needs a different amp. It's that simple. Fender amps are awesome and do what they do very well. I love em. If he were looking for a variety of tones, then sure, slap a bunch of pedals in front of whatever. The sound he actually wants comes from a Mesa though.
And I may have missed it, but I don't think he said what kind of guitar he's using, so it might all be moot.
I have a gibson SG Faded series. I'm still using the stock hum buckers and know nothing about pickups. Any advice as to which pickups to look into? I'm gonna take a trip to guitar center and try out some pedals this weekend. Obviously not wealthy enough to buy a new amp so I'm sticking with what I got. Hopefully a new distortion pedal and an overdrive pedal/eq pedal can help me get the tone I'm looking for.
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Greg_L
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Maybe it will. To really lock it down, you should bring your guitar and amp to see how they're actually gonna sound together instead of taking a guess. That guitar probably has the 490R/T pickup. Good pickups. Cool guitar. I'd say leave it as-is.
Lkoz91
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cool. Thanks for all the help guys!!!
Time to test out some pedals
Time to test out some pedals
Seeker of Rock
Proud fucking American
It has the same pickup my Les Paul Std. has in the neck position, and it's a good pickup. 498 in the bridge would make it hotter, but the 490 should be fine for anything rock/punk/aggressive. Those pickups are going to sound good with a lot of pedals, including the tubescreamer reissue (the tubescreamer is commonly referred to as "raunchy" sounding because of the exaggerated mids, which a lot of people like, but not everyone). The OCD should make a good match for those, too, but have fun shopping and testing.