I'm on a budget (sort of) but need this sound!

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you may be familiar with my analogue posts! However, I recently came across this and THIS is the sound I am after! What would need to get it? Say I was starting from scratch with just a guitar ie so what mics, desk, or whatever...by the way it was recorded with one guy on acoustic and vocals, one other guy on electric guitar i think...thanks :D

 
You have to start with the same guitar strung and tuned the same, and then you have play exactly like the original was. Everything downstream is secondary. That said, it sounds like a small diaphragm condenser at the 12th fret on the acoustic. The electric sounds like a humbucker at the bridge into a small amp with a 57 placed off center of the speaker.
 
bouldersoundguy said:
You have to start with the same guitar strung and tuned the same, and then you have play exactly like the original was. Everything downstream is secondary. That said, it sounds like a small diaphragm condenser at the 12th fret on the acoustic. The electric sounds like a humbucker at the bridge into a small amp with a 57 placed off center of the speaker.
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Haha wow, thanks. What would I need to get to record it onto? Like a portastudio? Oh and would you say he's using a plectrum or fingers?just out of curiosity
 
They both sound like picks are being used. There's a third guitar doing little muted picking things etc. on the right.
 
Dyou reckon I could get that sound recording the vocals and acoustic then laying the electric guitar down over top? As opposed to doing it live, like the recording is (I think)
 
Will25 said:
Dyou reckon I could get that sound recording the vocals and acoustic then laying the electric guitar down over top? As opposed to doing it live, like the recording is (I think)
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I don't see why not.
 
The electric sounds like a humbucker at the bridge into a small amp with a 57 placed off center of the speaker.
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And then whacked out of phase with the right channel.
 
Massive Master said:
And then whacked out of phase with the right channel.
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What does this mean? sorry, as you can tell I'm completely new to recording.

Thanks for the replies. So I need...a small guitar amp, a SM57, a small diaphragm condenser (any recommended model) - anything else?
 
Will25 said:
Thanks for the replies. So I need...a small guitar amp, a SM57, a small diaphragm condenser (any recommended model) - anything else?
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Freakishly accurate monitoring chain, an acoustically sound space, and plenty of experience.

And I suppose you'd best start reading up on the basics if you don't understand signal inversion...

Not trying to sound "discouraging" but you can have the greatest gear on the planet, the most accurate monitoring chain, in the greatest room in the world -- and without some amount of experience (with some, it only takes a few years - With some it'll never happen) you won't get a reasonable recording. Even from simple sources.

I'm not saying not to try -- Go nuts. It's the only way to actually get any experience. What I'm saying is that it could be anywhere from months to years to a decade or more -- *IF* you actually have the aptitude -- to start making recordings of "reasonably listenable" quality.
 
Will25 said:
Haha wow, thanks. What would I need to get to record it onto? Like a portastudio?
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I doubt that Babyshambles are using a portastudio, but if that's what you have access to, go for it!

Just know that your very first forays on a portastudio may not sound much like this. This isn't super-duper involved and hi-fi stuff, so approximating a sound like it with a journeyman engineer in a mid-priced studio wouldn't be too difficult. If you're just looking to record some of your own creations without learning a whole 'nother dispiline, that might be the best bet.

However, if you really have a passion for recording music, just as much or more than playing it, then welcome! Start with some good introductory books, subscribe to some magazines, read a lot here and elsewhere, become a keen and critical listener, and most importantly: Do it. Constantly.
 
This is great and more encouraging than discouraging. The more offputting side however is money (as always!) but I'd rather go DIY in effect as recording studios can become draining on funds if the right sound isn't achieved initially, at least from my experience. On the other hand, I am looking to put out some demos of my band ASAP so for now, could I get something to post online with the above mentioned products? Thanks again

by the way, this is a demo I did about a year ago - the biggest problem I have is the annoying background hiss which is present even without anything plugged in! New portastudio I think... Overall though it's just a reallly sketchy demo, extremely flat but have a listen if you like
 
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Also by knocking it out of phase, do you mean separating it from the other electric guitar so the notes dont 'clash' for want of a better word...
 
No, I mean the electric guitar has some rather serious phase problems.
 
It'd be a challenge to get the electric guitar intonated exactly as badly as that... or perhaps it's just tuning.
 
Ok so I'm thinking...

CAD CM217 for acoustic
SM57 for electric
SM58 for vocals
Bass guitar plugged straight in
SM57 placed above drum kit

into a Tascam Dp02 or something..does this sound like a decent (budget) set up? I just need some demos really of good quality

thanks
 
Would really appreciate some final input here from you experienced recorders before I spend any money...
 
There's nothing particularly world-shattering going on with the recording. Its a pretty plain easy setup with nothing weird or odd. The arrangement of the instruments and the tone of the voice as well as the performance with a clean capture is all thats happening.

I'm with John on this one....theres some odd out-of-phase thing with the guitar on the right side. Could be in the panning but I bet its a duped track and its phasing with itself in the panorama.
 
Will25 said:
Ok so I'm thinking...

CAD CM217 for acoustic
SM57 for electric
SM58 for vocals
Bass guitar plugged straight in
SM57 placed above drum kit

into a Tascam Dp02 or something..does this sound like a decent (budget) set up? I just need some demos really of good quality

thanks
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your looking to get a whole rig? recording parts seperately or all together? (i'd recommend seperate)

you'll need a program like cubase/protools/logic
you'll need an interface... i'd try to get at least 4 inputes to do a somewhat decent drum recording (1 kick, 1 snare, 2 overheads)


before i really go on.. what is your budget? depending on the budget it is drastically different.
 
Well I haven't exactly set a budget but if I had the above up:

CAD CM217 for acoustic £60
SM57 for electric £60
SM58 for vocals £60 (could borrow one)
Portastudio £150

So potentially around the £300 mark. My laptop isn't that great so I don't really want to invest in any programs. These are just for demos though, of listen-able quality - from the video above you can hear the background hiss and it's hard to get a clear (not crisp) sound.
 
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