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Schecterplayer
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Ugh lol. I hate all this lol. Why do so many ppl use foam if it sucks? I just dont understand.
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Schecterplayer
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And i Really cant stress enough that im not a serious producer or anything like that. Just a kid in a bedroom with no money lol
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
lol. It doesn't suck. It is just limited in what it does. It is appropriate in conjunction with other treatments in rooms that need to be measured to determine what the room actually needs. Just because it is used in pro studios doesn't mean that it is the only thing being used. There is misconception (I had it) that foam will fix everything cuz the pro's use it. This just is not the case. I understand your budget concerns. Been there. Just relaying that though foam will help with some reflections, it will not make your room sound pro. Just keep that in mind. Get some foam and some of those panels. Just don't expect miracles. It will help to some degree. I'm not saying you are wasting money altogether.
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Schecterplayer
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Maybe when i get a better job and a room for just music i will invest in more pro matieral. But for now i am just relying on foam and bass traps. Again its just a bedroom lol. Im not pro and have no need for pro. Just something To help even if its a bit and is cost effective.
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Schecterplayer
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Thanks for all ur help dude. Foams my way for my now till the money rolls in lol
Capriccio
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How does the sound coming from your monitors know whether you are a pro or whether the room is a studio or not? The answer you are looking for - what is most effective, cheap, and can be added to as funds allow, jimmys69 gave you in reply #11:
By adhesive cloth he means something cheap but breathable like burlap. Make sure you buy it from a furniture store not a garden centre as it needs to be fire rated.
Capriccio
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You started off by saying:
After getting advice as to why foam will not do the job well and how it will be the more expensive route to treating your room, you finish by saying:
Do please read chapters 9 and 11 of Rod Gervais' book where he explains about foam.
After getting advice as to why foam will not do the job well and how it will be the more expensive route to treating your room, you finish by saying:
Do please read chapters 9 and 11 of Rod Gervais' book where he explains about foam.
diggy_dude
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All compressed rock wool manufacturers have increased prices by 6% or more in the last month. This appears to occur fairly frequently. I wouldn't wait too long to pick some up. Skip the foam and save up for the real deal.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
The main reason foam gets such a bad rap is because many newbs use it excessively and exclusively without combining any other type of treatment. Plus, many buy the cheapest foam products...assuming that all foam is the same.
High-quality acoustic foam made by acoustic companies (and not a side product of furniture foam
) has its uses for treatment of high-end issues and flutter echo. Some "spot" treatment on bare walls/ceilings can do the trick...but too much and it will suck all the life out of a room, and some people erroneously think that the subsequent deadness of the room equals good sound.
If you can afford enough broadband trapping, you don't need the foam for the high-end.
If you only have a few bass traps...then a few foam panels can be added in key areas for the high-end.
If you only have flutter-echo issues (rare, as most rooms have as many low-end issues) a few foam panels can be good for that, though I would get some typical acoustic ceiling tile instead, and use that in spots on the ceiling. Goes on easy with silicone caulk adhesive, and it probably has a better fire rating than plain foam.
High-quality acoustic foam made by acoustic companies (and not a side product of furniture foam
) has its uses for treatment of high-end issues and flutter echo. Some "spot" treatment on bare walls/ceilings can do the trick...but too much and it will suck all the life out of a room, and some people erroneously think that the subsequent deadness of the room equals good sound.If you can afford enough broadband trapping, you don't need the foam for the high-end.
If you only have a few bass traps...then a few foam panels can be added in key areas for the high-end.
If you only have flutter-echo issues (rare, as most rooms have as many low-end issues) a few foam panels can be good for that, though I would get some typical acoustic ceiling tile instead, and use that in spots on the ceiling. Goes on easy with silicone caulk adhesive, and it probably has a better fire rating than plain foam.
Supercreep
Lizard People
Bet you ten dollars they are lying about their NRC and just lifted the test results from the Auralex website.
Anyway, you've been given good advice here, OP. You can certainly choose to ignore it and choke the life out of your room's HF for a paltry reduction in LF, which is where the problem frequencies arise in small rooms.
I don't think you're stupid. I think that you are determined to use foam and that you ain't trying to hear any advice to the contrary.
Peace,
SC
Anyway, you've been given good advice here, OP. You can certainly choose to ignore it and choke the life out of your room's HF for a paltry reduction in LF, which is where the problem frequencies arise in small rooms.
I don't think you're stupid. I think that you are determined to use foam and that you ain't trying to hear any advice to the contrary.
Peace,
SC
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Supercreep
Lizard People
And I still use a little foam. I just let the fiberglass do the heavy lifting.
c7sus
Disenfranchised Member
Your OP said you wanted something that would do the job well.
You have been informed by numerous people with experience that foam won't do the job well, but yet you persist in claiming you have seen it all over the web so foam must be the answer.
Does MickeyD's have the best food in the world? They are everywhere too.
If using glue to stick fabric over a piece of soundboard is too much work for you maybe music production isn't for you either.
diggy_dude
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I use egg cartons.
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
Best foam in the world is made by Budweiser!
c7sus
Disenfranchised Member
Best foam in the world is made by Budweiser!
Try Belgium Brewing and you'll never go back to Bud.
c7sus
Disenfranchised Member
I use egg cartons.
If you leave the eggs in them they make great diffusors.
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Schecterplayer
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Hey i just bought some panels from acoustimac. 24 bucks each :0 so ill deffinatly be buyin broadband absorbers as needed and i have some decent bass control in my room already but could always be better. So when i install these panels will i hear a difference right away? I only bought 2. If i buy more if needed will the room sound tighter? Idk what to expect as ive never had any treatments exept traps
Capriccio
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Maybe (to both questions). I don't know the dimensions of your room, how many bass traps you already have installed or where. You should really acoustically measure your room so that you know what its characteristics are and what problems you are trying to solve. What you can do without measurements is to do at least enough that it will do something to help, and that is to have traps in all four corners of your room, floor to ceiling, along the wall to ceiling corners, at the first reflection points relative to where you mix or track. Others can be placed to provide a reflection free zone but measurements will better help indicate where you need them better than just guessing.
The thing about acoustic treatment is that you can add it piece by piece as you can afford it.
If it gives you any inspiration, I am building 36 traps for my new rented studio space. I couldn't afford ready made panels. It's a lot of work but will be worth it.
diggy_dude
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Are you talking about these?
ACOUSTIMAC DMD-122 ACOUSTIC PANELS 12"X24"X2"
Those are half the size you could've built on your own (24"x48"x4") for about the same money. You will hear some difference, but 4" thick panels are preferable.