Rock Drums according to a crazy Grammy Producer: just passing the word along...

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fireflyva...lets see your resume, dipshit. The day your drummer gets all famous for the duct tape sound is the same day I will sell my own "Learning Scales and Modes" DVD with duck tape over my guitar strings.
 
Murdersgalore said:
fireflyva...lets see your resume, dipshit. The day your drummer gets all famous for the duct tape sound is the same day I will sell my own "Learning Scales and Modes" DVD with duck tape over my guitar strings.
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You know "Murdersgalore," I used to play music like yours...you know...angry...loud....of no particular value...then I noticed that the primary listeners of that kind of music were ... skinheads....the disenfranchised....losers....teenage boys....but I had to quit playing it because I found I didn't llike those kind of people...especially the young boys...but hey....to each his own....you should think about getting in touch with Greg_L and guitaristic....I think you'd "like them".... ;);) I'm sure you could teach them a few licks.... :D
 
fireflyva said:
You know "Murdersgalore," I used to play music like yours...you know...angry...loud....of no particular value...then I noticed that the primary listeners of that kind of music were ... skinheads....the disenfranchised....losers....teenage boys....but I had to quit playing it because I found I didn't llike those kind of people...especially the young boys...but hey....to each his own....you should think about getting in touch with Greg_L and guitaristic....I think you'd "like them".... ;);) I'm sure you could teach them a few licks.... :D
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That's right...attack the man himself, cause you sure can't defend your own points. :laughings:
 
You know "Murdersgalore," I used to play music like yours...you know...angry...loud....of no particular value...then I noticed that the primary listeners of that kind of music were ... skinheads....the disenfranchised....losers....teenage boys....but I had to quit playing it because I found I didn't llike those kind of people...especially the young boys...but hey....to each his own....you should think about getting in touch with Greg_L and guitaristic....I think you'd "like them".... I'm sure you could teach them a few licks....
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So you are saying you used to be into young boys? What changed? Did someone tell their mommy you touched them rough where the poopy comes from? You're just another self deluded cock who is too fucking stupid to know how stupid you come off. Your dad should have spared us all and pulled out.
 
A: To the arguing people: shut up.

B: I tried this method on one of my more recent mixes, and ended up somewhat disliking the results. I could've been doing something rather wrong, but adding the pre-recorded samples (mono, included room mics, etc.) underneath the actual tracks seemed to muck up the low end on the kick/snare. I really liked what it did for the overall room sound, and wouldn't be opposed to messing around with this more (as a guy who makes more doing this than I do has apparently done so routinely, and with great success), but my first try was somewhat lackluster.

Has anyone else tried this?
 
Murdersgalore and GregL_,
This post was starting to die off....with no one to argue with, I was starting to get bored....thought I'd stir it up....match wits the halibuts again.....

I find it interesting to be arguing with you about padding drums, resonance, etc....when you two have such a ....limited view.... of things. But then, you're impressionable.....I'm sure you're doing the best you can....with what you have...any way, I thought I'd add a few links for your perusal (that means for your viewing pleasure ).....
YouTube - ‪Flip of the Week #14- Muffling the Drums‬‏
YouTube - ‪NAMM 2010 Omar Hakim Meets "The Drum Wallet"‬‏
YouTube - ‪Felipe Torres shows off his Drum Wallet‬‏
Take a look of the videos ....open your minds....louder is not always better.... now, I'm sure you'll argue that the drummers in these videos aren't as good as you....or someone you know.... or such and such in band you like or whatever....but take the time to put down the deep fryer and step away from the fryer vat.... see what "real drummers" have to say about using tape, tea towels, pillows, etc.... to muffle drum sounds and so forth.... I look forward to your...."enlightened views...."
 
Lol @ this guy stewing over this shit for weeks and weeks. What the hell is wrong with the n00bs at this forum? I don't even remember what happened.
 
See what "real drummers" have to say. AHAHAHAHA. If you are alive and hit drums with sticks you are a real drummer. I could give two fucks and a shit about some crap it took you over two weeks to dig up on youtube. However, let me see what I can dig up in 2 minutes.....
No duct tape here.
Where are the muffles?
Still not seeing it man.
Not even the great Mangini!!?? Surely he would stick some kind of shit on his skins!!

Oh well....Guess It doesn't prove anything. Obviously none of these guys are "real drummers".
 
Not sure why anyone would stick duct tape and other messy shit on the heads when you have things like Moongel and dampening rings that you can just drop on the head and remove with ease.
I think the dampening rings and Moongel work better too. I've got rings for every size head in my studio kit...though I only use them if really needed.
 
miroslav said:
Not sure why anyone would stick duct tape and other messy shit on the heads when you have things like Moongel and dampening rings that you can just drop on the head and remove with ease.
I think the dampening rings and Moongel work better too. I've got rings for every size head in my studio kit...though I only use them if really needed.
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It seems that many do not understand the concept of a drum actually sounding good on its own. It has all been said over and over. Even shit drums can sound good. Moon gel is obviously a better option than duct tape for dampening unwanted overtones. Though I suppose it is easier to steal duct tape from Home Depot than it is to spend $5 at Guitar Center for the stuff that us old guys used to call "Whacky Wall Walkers" placed in cereal boxes or a Burger King kids meals. Too bad we cant just get them there anymore for free. Either way, barring a severe rim or shell deformity, it is possible to make any drum shell sound good. Hell, the doghouse in My E-250 sounds friggen awesome. I keep meaning to get a sample of that and post "what do you think of this bass drum sound?" and see who bites.

I like to keep duct tape around for various fixing reasons. Drum tone is never one of them.
 
miroslav said:
Not sure why anyone would stick duct tape and other messy shit on the heads when you have things like Moongel and dampening rings that you can just drop on the head and remove with ease.
I think the dampening rings and Moongel work better too. I've got rings for every size head in my studio kit...though I only use them if really needed.
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Btw, in my experience, I have used those 'rings' in live situations on a regular basis. With duct tape holding them in place. Utilizing them in a recording environment however, has always let to a "pzzdddd" tone on the decay of the tom that I was not anywhere near fond of. I now rather get a sweet 'open' sounding/tuned drum to ring a bit before trying o tame with whacky wall walkers.
 
I guess that people are just different. Some like dampened drums, some don't. Things like rings and moongel developed out of the effect of tea towels and wallets on the snares and toms. Drums, like guitars, have a myriad of tones available and different ways of achieving them, whether by placing objects on the skins or technologically or not at all.
It's all Moroccan roll.
 
GregL_ and Murdersgalore....

You just don't get it, do you? I guess neither of you have been around long enough or perhaps doing this long enough to understand even the thread behind this thread.... or the history behind drumming, do you? Looking back through history through the lenses of the present is an easy way to find fault....but it also demonstrates a certain "short sightedness".... everything we do today in drumming, playing guitar, making music, etc.... has been built on the shoulders of the giants that went before us.... and you....it's still not too late....go to school, get an education, and become contributing members of society....life in front of a deep fryer "ain't much of a life at all..." besides, eating all that fried food will only make you fat.....
 
I still don't know why this guy is so angry at me, but that seems to be the norm in here.
 
moresound said:
Your just an internet punching bag Greg. :p
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Maybe its about time this guy gets some shit back. He trolls around this forum looking for people to fight with. I wonder if hes angry because he things hes better than he really is. Soon hes just gonna get everyone banned who argues with him. Victory in his book. Lame ass little drummer boy
 
offcenter2005 said:
Maybe its about time this guy gets some shit back. He trolls around this forum looking for people to fight with. I wonder if hes angry because he things hes better than he really is. Soon hes just gonna get everyone banned who argues with him. Victory in his book. Lame ass little drummer boy
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Now you are a troll too. Get a life man.
 
offcenter2005 said:
Maybe its about time this guy gets some shit back. He trolls around this forum looking for people to fight with. I wonder if hes angry because he things hes better than he really is. Soon hes just gonna get everyone banned who argues with him. Victory in his book. Lame ass little drummer boy
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Not at all. It really is only new members that go apeshit. I don't know why that is. You guys are just really really sensitive. I get along fine with people that have been here for a while.

Anyway, give it back. consume yourself with me. You already have. You're not the first and won't be the last forum crybaby to take a swing at me. It makes no difference to me. I'm cool with whatever. I'm not clogging up another thread with this nonsense though, so do what you gotta do.
 
jimmys69 said:
Utilizing them in a recording environment however, has always let to a "pzzdddd" tone on the decay of the tom that I was not anywhere near fond of.
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The only thing the gets any regular dampening ring use is usually the snare. I've used the Moongel on rare occasion for a rude tom or a rude cymbal (placed at the bell area). I was just saying that rings/Moongel are certainly cleaner/easier to use than friggin' duct tape! :D
That said, I understand that over the years, all kinds of stuff has been employed, and sometimes you make-do with what you have on hand.
I've used foam weatherstripping (comes in a roll with sticky backing) in the past. You can break off as little or as much as you need, and it sticks to the heads/cymbals, but comes off easy/clean with no residue (unless you let it dry out for 6 months).

I usually leave it to my drummer to decide how best to fix unruly overtones/ringing, but since it's my studio, I try to have as many options on hand, so that's why I have dampening rings in every size...though no duct tape (that's out in my shed), but I do have plenty of gaffer's tape. ;)
 
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