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sjjohnston
New member
Well, what does it actually do?
Guess:
- Applies a little reverb.
- Probably reduces the separation of the right and left channels (i.e. pans everything in toward the center a little).
- EQs in an attmept to make your headphone's frequency response match the frequency response of various models of monitors.
It can't really do the last without knowing what the frequency response of your headphones is (on your particular head, at your listening level).
It can, I suppose, do the first two. Of course, you can do the same thing (and the third) yourself by putting different settings on your monitoring bus than on your master bus. Whether this is a good idea is another question.
Guess:
- Applies a little reverb.
- Probably reduces the separation of the right and left channels (i.e. pans everything in toward the center a little).
- EQs in an attmept to make your headphone's frequency response match the frequency response of various models of monitors.
It can't really do the last without knowing what the frequency response of your headphones is (on your particular head, at your listening level).
It can, I suppose, do the first two. Of course, you can do the same thing (and the third) yourself by putting different settings on your monitoring bus than on your master bus. Whether this is a good idea is another question.
kidkage
Bored of Canada
Im going to stick to dropping $300 on krk rokit 5's
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
It's just another "trick" for making headphone mixes more useable...but let's face it, it's also adding yet another layer of some sort of sonic processing.
Do you you really want to mix that way?
Do you you really want to mix that way?
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Over Dose
New member
It's a joke, and a waste of money. If you $300 rokits it's not going to make them sound like focals... Rokit's aren't really worth the money for nearfields. Spend your money wisely, on a mix engineer, or on room treatments (a lot of it) and at least $700 for monitors (yamaha hs80's)
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Seriously, if you want bacon, you most certainly will not be satisfied by 'Beggin Strips' or 'Bits O Bacon'. I know ketchup is good on a hamburger, but to use it to make green beans taste like a burger, well its just adolescent.
Get the Monitors!!!!!!
Get the Monitors!!!!!!
guitaristic
prophet of Dave
I disagree...Rokits are good for the price. I run 6's and it's a nice, true representation.
Some people don't have $700
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Why do people jump in with ridiculous statements aimed at projecting their own economic stability towards someone who obviously has not such a grand availability of cash flow. Suggesting use of your money to invest in paying someone else to record your stuff is directly the opposite of what this forum is all about. Room treatment is the most important investment, second only to monitoring. Tho, if you have no monitors at all, then giving poor biased advice to spend more than necessary according to your opinion, is absolutely rude and self absorbed.
I use KRK RP5's with a sub and I'll bet my $700 monitor setup kicks your brothers ass. You know why? Cuz I actually 'listen' with my ears and not my wallet.
Hold on, I gotta check something,......Nope, not the newbie forum.....
Dumbass!!!
Oh yeah Kid, get the KRK's. You will be very happy you did so. And ignore the dreaded trolls.
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mixsit
Well-known member
I think it'd be interesting to see the curves, what have you of how they interrupt the speakers.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Did you guys actually read the description?
It has NOTHING to do with monitors...$300 or $700 ones.
It's for use with headphones...to simulate various monitors.
It has NOTHING to do with monitors...$300 or $700 ones.
It's for use with headphones...to simulate various monitors.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Yep. Hence the applying of 'sonic processing' or 'bacon bits' to a problem that can be better solved or at least better expensed by actually purchasing monitors. Pretty sure we are all on the same page xcept for judgmental trollguy.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
A pox on him...off with his head!!!
kidkage
Bored of Canada
My Tascam multitrack setup currently isnt mix enigineer friendly or, to be quite honest with you, worthy
. And I'd rather mix my own stuff and then get it professionally mastered. Room treatments sound good, but I suppose I need monitors before I can start treating 
...and a 17 year old college student with no steady job doesnt have $700 to drop on monitors
Room treatment is the most important investment, second only to monitoring. Tho, if you have no monitors at all, then giving poor biased advice to spend more than necessary according to your opinion, is absolutely rude and self absorbed.
Oh yeah Kid, get the KRK's. You will be very happy you did so. And ignore the dreaded trolls.
The only treatment I've done so far is to "tune"/shape the disgusting echo while im playing whatever instruments.
My parents decided to replace the carpet in the house with wood floor, Im pretty excited about that
I had to tear down the "studio" though (I havent drummed or plugged in in over a week 
) I guess thats treatment in a way. And thanks for the krk comment. I plan on going in for those within a month or so
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Wood floors? Nice!
Keep in mind man that room treatments, even in small amounts, are still better than nothing at all. I don't really mean blankets and curtains, tho they can help with those 'disgusting echo's'. It really is not that expensive to make your own absorption panels with the real stuff.
The KRK's are IMO, a better than half assed entry level monitor. Especially at that price level. The older G series ones can be found at half the price. Add the subwoofer that goes with them, and you will have full coverage of all frequencies. Though accurate room testing and resulting 'real' treatments will be more necessary in a small room when you use a subwoofer.
In the end, you can definitely achieve good, maybe even great results, using headphones. You will spend a huge amount less time trying to get your mixes to sound good elsewhere by using good monitors. The bottom line is how you are able to actually hear correctly what you are playing, mixing, or effecting. Removing or limiting the variables between the source and your ears, is the absolute best investment in the quality of your art.
Rock on dood!
Keep in mind man that room treatments, even in small amounts, are still better than nothing at all. I don't really mean blankets and curtains, tho they can help with those 'disgusting echo's'. It really is not that expensive to make your own absorption panels with the real stuff.
The KRK's are IMO, a better than half assed entry level monitor. Especially at that price level. The older G series ones can be found at half the price. Add the subwoofer that goes with them, and you will have full coverage of all frequencies. Though accurate room testing and resulting 'real' treatments will be more necessary in a small room when you use a subwoofer.
In the end, you can definitely achieve good, maybe even great results, using headphones. You will spend a huge amount less time trying to get your mixes to sound good elsewhere by using good monitors. The bottom line is how you are able to actually hear correctly what you are playing, mixing, or effecting. Removing or limiting the variables between the source and your ears, is the absolute best investment in the quality of your art.
Rock on dood!
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Over Dose
New member
I disagree...Rokits are good for the price. I run 6's and it's a nice, true representation.
Some people don't have $700
True representation? Those are infamous for being colored, low-end monitors. I'm not trying to knock anybody with them, but if somebody is serious about mixing, they should definitely save up.
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Over Dose
New member
Why do people jump in with ridiculous statements aimed at projecting their own economic stability towards someone who obviously has not such a grand availability of cash flow. Suggesting use of your money to invest in paying someone else to record your stuff is directly the opposite of what this forum is all about. Room treatment is the most important investment, second only to monitoring. Tho, if you have no monitors at all, then giving poor biased advice to spend more than necessary according to your opinion, is absolutely rude and self absorbed.
I use KRK RP5's with a sub and I'll bet my $700 monitor setup kicks your brothers ass. You know why? Cuz I actually 'listen' with my ears and not my wallet.
Hold on, I gotta check something,......Nope, not the newbie forum.....
Dumbass!!!
Oh yeah Kid, get the KRK's. You will be very happy you did so. And ignore the dreaded trolls.
I gave facts. Rokits aren't flat monitors, though having flat monitors is almost worthless without room treatment, unless you listen at extremely low levels. Have you gotten a chance to hear a real monitoring system? If you have, and you're still saying that the Rokits are flat, you're ears aren't trained well enough to be giving any advice on here.
I'm a newbie? Don't get over your head kid, this is what I do for a living, I'm trying to help somebody. You are too, but facts are facts, and Rokit's are COLORED. The whole point of monitors are to expose all problems in a mix, and to be as flat as possible, so that if the mix sounds good on your monitors, it will translate well on any system.
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Over Dose
New member
Take your opinions to gearslutz where the real pros are (myself included)
(myself included)
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Over Dose
New member
Okay class...
Get some 703 fiberglass for bass traps, moving blankets are used all the time. Don't go out and by blankets for "recording" they're just packing blankets to begin with.
For mixing, I would recommend headphones if the room isn't treated, and if the monitors aren't that great. Sennheiser HD600, look into them. They're great for critical listening, and using headphones really help when it comes to hearing the stereo image.
Get some 703 fiberglass for bass traps, moving blankets are used all the time. Don't go out and by blankets for "recording" they're just packing blankets to begin with.
For mixing, I would recommend headphones if the room isn't treated, and if the monitors aren't that great. Sennheiser HD600, look into them. They're great for critical listening, and using headphones really help when it comes to hearing the stereo image.
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Over Dose
New member
I think if any body is using it as a first reference, that can be a very bad thing. I also think that it CAN POSSIBLY be useful for hearing how your mix would sound on other systems.
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dogfish720
New member
Doesn't the whole room treatment thing come into play when you are listening at a volume where the room's natural reverberation takes over? Is'nt mixing 101 tell you that your head placement in the "near field" sweetspot is parmount to mixiing? It's nice to turn up the monitors and jam your mix, but in reality, for the sake of sonic exhaustion on the eardrum, isn't it better to listen at a low volume anyway. What I'm saying/questioning is....if the room is fairly dead and you are listening at low volumes in the correct sweetspot, isn't that really the best way to utilize the "low dollar" monitors/room setup? just asking.
