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Hello everybody! My name is Jack and I'm pretty new in the recording business

I'd like to ask something (everybody who feels qualified can answer :) )

How is AKG as a brand in general? What perception do you have of them as for example microphone producers? What do you expect from AKG products?

Do you prefer other brands to AKG when it comes to Mics?
 
AKG makes some excellent mics and some so-so ones. Mic preferences focus on specific models rather than brands.
 
AKG - OK, but not as good as they used to be, IMHO.

Not in the top rank like Schoeps, Sennheiser, Neumann, DPA, Gefell and the like; but coming up in the second batch, I would say.

Some excellent mics., some turkeys, pretty reasonable as a whole; and a whole lot better than quite a few others.
 
AKG - OK, but not as good as they used to be, IMHO.

Not in the top rank like Schoeps, Sennheiser, Neumann, DPA, Gefell and the like; but coming up in the second batch, I would say.

Some excellent mics., some turkeys, pretty reasonable as a whole; and a whole lot better than quite a few others.


Thanks, interesting answer! What about the C12 VR that they produce? What can I expect from this? Certainly not to live up to the name of the original, or so I hear :)
 
Thanks, interesting answer! What about the C12 VR that they produce? What can I expect from this? Certainly not to live up to the name of the original, or so I hear :)

The C12 is probably the best microphone ever made but ..... you won't find it pleasing to your wallet!
 
AKG have made some superb mics, but I myself find there are more Neumann mics that I actually want.
 
AKG has produced a bewildering array of microphones over many years, ranging from dirt cheap dynamics to top shelf condensers. Some of their mics are studio standards, and some really are not that impressive compared to their competitors. To further complicate matters, certain AKG mics have gone through many changes in design over the years, particularly the C414, which *is* one of those studio standards. Pricing is also an issue, because it floats according to supply and demand. The classic example of this is the Solid Tube. It was released as a $1000-or-so main vocal mic, and it didn't sell very well. This is not because it wasn't a good mic. It's because several competitors brought out similar mics around the same time designed in the USA, Australia, and Japan, but often built partially or completely in China, and were simply able to sell them for less. So the price came down, eventually to the point where you could buy a Solid Tube brand new on ebay for about $500. Well, it wasn't really a very good $1000 mic, but it was a very good $500 mic. Then people started to ignore the reviewers who said it wasn't that good, and bought up a bunch of them, and decided it didn't suck at all. Everything has to be considered in terms of real world price and availability, not MSRP.

The C12VR mentioned above by Moresound is a classic example. It is a mic that bears very little resemblence to an old C12. That old C12 *was* one of the greatest mics ever made. The new one is a *very* good mic, but it is overpriced for what it is, when compared to boutique mics by Brauner, Microtech Gefell, B.L.U.E., or Neumann.

All that said, there are AKG mics that I *love*, and which they will pry from my cold, dead, hand. There are AKG mics that I hate, and which I believe make good paperweights or doorstops, and there are AKG mics which are "OK", which means they compete fairly with their competition at a given price point.
Note that because AKG changes their models quite a bit, you can often bypass the latest and greatest, and get older models dirt cheap for a lot less money, which means you win on bang for buck.

Now I will lay it on the line and tell you just a few of the ones I love, the ones I hate, and the ones that are "OK". Note that this represents a tiny handful of the *hundreds* of mic models produced by AKG over the years.

Ones I hate (a fairly short list):
C1000S- makes a great "marital aid" or nightstick
C3000B- why oh why did Roland use this dog for the basis of all their COSM modeling?
D880- neodymium dynamic at it's worst
D660- the same but worse
D440/D550- cheap, bad drum mics
C430- a cheap, nasty. small diaphragm condenser

Note that most of the above represent a period in time when AKG was trying to build mics for the budget-minded home recording market, but they were still trying to build them in Austria. In the end, they couldn't compete with other companies outsourcing construction to China and Mexico.

Mics that are "OK":

C4000B- basically a solid midrange condenser, compares well to B.L.U.E. Baby Bottle and AT4040
Solid Tube: Like I said, for $1000, it can't compete. For $500-600, compares well to Rode NTK or Studio Projects T3
D112- low frequency mic, compares well to Shure Beta52 and Audix D6, and is more versatile than either of the others. A generally good dynamic mic
Perception Series (all of them)- If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. AKG studio mic series outsourced to China. They compare favorably to everybody else's inexpensive Chinese mic- MXL, SE, CAD, Studio Projects, etc., and they are better than the bottom feeders such as Nady.
C451- a perfectly good small diaphragm condenser- compares well to Shure SM81, for example.

OK- mics I love. Note that some of these I love because they are that good, and some because they weren't popular, and you can get them today new or used at a price far lower than similar mics made by their competitors, or even the AKG mics that replaced them:

C414B-ULS- A new C414 will set you back a grand. You can find these for $500 or so. I prefer it to AT4055 or Shure KSM44. An all purpose studio mic. Good on acoustic guitar, and a great overhead.
C535- A discontinued handheld stage condenser. You have to go up to the much pricier Neumann KMS104/105 to find a better stage condenser. A fair studio mic as well.
D770- A good drum mic, an excellent voiceover mic. AKG's best answer to Shure SM57. I prefer it to the 57 in almost all cases.
D690- Essentially the same mic as D770, but doesn't reject feedback quite as well- same capsule.
D3800 tripower- designed to compete with Sennheiser MD421. The difference is- you can find this bad boy for $100 these days, brand new, in the flight case. A great live piano mic, if you have 2.
D12- discontinued predecessor of the D112. Simply the best kick drum mic ever made, IMHO.
C2000B- My geatest AKG unsung hero that gets no respect. New, for $329 or so, it blows away most of its competitors. The cool part is- you can find them used for about $100. A virtual swiss army knife. Good on acoustic guitar and vocals, excellent as a remote stereo pair or for overheads, great on cabs and any percussion from toms to triangle. Where else can you find a European made, versatile studio condenser that cheap? Bang for buck, it annihalates the mostly Chinese-made competition.

Hope that helps. Note that all of that is just my opinion. YMMV.-Richie
 
AKG has produced a bewildering array of microphones over many years, ranging from dirt cheap dynamics to top shelf condensers. Some of their mics are studio standards, and some really are not that impressive compared to their competitors. To further complicate matters, certain AKG mics have gone through many changes in design over the years, particularly the C414, which *is* one of those studio standards. Pricing is also an issue, because it floats according to supply and demand. The classic example of this is the Solid Tube. It was released as a $1000-or-so main vocal mic, and it didn't sell very well. This is not because it wasn't a good mic. It's because several competitors brought out similar mics around the same time designed in the USA, Australia, and Japan, but often built partially or completely in China, and were simply able to sell them for less. So the price came down, eventually to the point where you could buy a Solid Tube brand new on ebay for about $500. Well, it wasn't really a very good $1000 mic, but it was a very good $500 mic. Then people started to ignore the reviewers who said it wasn't that good, and bought up a bunch of them, and decided it didn't suck at all. Everything has to be considered in terms of real world price and availability, not MSRP.

The C12VR mentioned above by Moresound is a classic example. It is a mic that bears very little resemblence to an old C12. That old C12 *was* one of the greatest mics ever made. The new one is a *very* good mic, but it is overpriced for what it is, when compared to boutique mics by Brauner, Microtech Gefell, B.L.U.E., or Neumann.

All that said, there are AKG mics that I *love*, and which they will pry from my cold, dead, hand. There are AKG mics that I hate, and which I believe make good paperweights or doorstops, and there are AKG mics which are "OK", which means they compete fairly with their competition at a given price point.
Note that because AKG changes their models quite a bit, you can often bypass the latest and greatest, and get older models dirt cheap for a lot less money, which means you win on bang for buck.

Now I will lay it on the line and tell you just a few of the ones I love, the ones I hate, and the ones that are "OK". Note that this represents a tiny handful of the *hundreds* of mic models produced by AKG over the years.

Ones I hate (a fairly short list):
C1000S- makes a great "marital aid" or nightstick
C3000B- why oh why did Roland use this dog for the basis of all their COSM modeling?
D880- neodymium dynamic at it's worst
D660- the same but worse
D440/D550- cheap, bad drum mics
C430- a cheap, nasty. small diaphragm condenser

Note that most of the above represent a period in time when AKG was trying to build mics for the budget-minded home recording market, but they were still trying to build them in Austria. In the end, they couldn't compete with other companies outsourcing construction to China and Mexico.

Mics that are "OK":

C4000B- basically a solid midrange condenser, compares well to B.L.U.E. Baby Bottle and AT4040
Solid Tube: Like I said, for $1000, it can't compete. For $500-600, compares well to Rode NTK or Studio Projects T3
D112- low frequency mic, compares well to Shure Beta52 and Audix D6, and is more versatile than either of the others. A generally good dynamic mic
Perception Series (all of them)- If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. AKG studio mic series outsourced to China. They compare favorably to everybody else's inexpensive Chinese mic- MXL, SE, CAD, Studio Projects, etc., and they are better than the bottom feeders such as Nady.
C451- a perfectly good small diaphragm condenser- compares well to Shure SM81, for example.

OK- mics I love. Note that some of these I love because they are that good, and some because they weren't popular, and you can get them today new or used at a price far lower than similar mics made by their competitors, or even the AKG mics that replaced them:

C414B-ULS- A new C414 will set you back a grand. You can find these for $500 or so. I prefer it to AT4055 or Shure KSM44. An all purpose studio mic. Good on acoustic guitar, and a great overhead.
C535- A discontinued handheld stage condenser. You have to go up to the much pricier Neumann KMS104/105 to find a better stage condenser. A fair studio mic as well.
D770- A good drum mic, an excellent voiceover mic. AKG's best answer to Shure SM57. I prefer it to the 57 in almost all cases.
D690- Essentially the same mic as D770, but doesn't reject feedback quite as well- same capsule.
D3800 tripower- designed to compete with Sennheiser MD421. The difference is- you can find this bad boy for $100 these days, brand new, in the flight case. A great live piano mic, if you have 2.
D12- discontinued predecessor of the D112. Simply the best kick drum mic ever made, IMHO.
C2000B- My geatest AKG unsung hero that gets no respect. New, for $329 or so, it blows away most of its competitors. The cool part is- you can find them used for about $100. A virtual swiss army knife. Good on acoustic guitar and vocals, excellent as a remote stereo pair or for overheads, great on cabs and any percussion from toms to triangle. Where else can you find a European made, versatile studio condenser that cheap? Bang for buck, it annihalates the mostly Chinese-made competition.

Hope that helps. Note that all of that is just my opinion. YMMV.-Richie

Richie doesn't post very often, but when he does he delivers value for money.... :laughings:
 
I have to stick up for the C1000S, not because it's a great mic but because it's different. It's definitely not accurate, but accurate can be unflattering on some sources.

I have a pair of D1000E mics which I use pretty much like SM57s. The D1000E has a three position tone switch.
 
I have a 451 and a 414... I like them both...

:D

There was the original 451 which was a true AF condenser with interchangeable heads.
There is the new 451 which is an electret fixed cardioid.

The 414 has gone through many changes and there are 6 or 8 versions floating around.
 
AKG has produced a bewildering array of microphones over many years, ranging from dirt cheap dynamics to top shelf condensers. Some of their mics are studio standards, and some really are not that impressive compared to their competitors. To further complicate matters, certain AKG mics have gone through many changes in design over the years, particularly the C414, which *is* one of those studio standards. Pricing is also an issue, because it floats according to supply and demand. The classic example of this is the Solid Tube. It was released as a $1000-or-so main vocal mic, and it didn't sell very well. This is not because it wasn't a good mic. It's because several competitors brought out similar mics around the same time designed in the USA, Australia, and Japan, but often built partially or completely in China, and were simply able to sell them for less. So the price came down, eventually to the point where you could buy a Solid Tube brand new on ebay for about $500. Well, it wasn't really a very good $1000 mic, but it was a very good $500 mic. Then people started to ignore the reviewers who said it wasn't that good, and bought up a bunch of them, and decided it didn't suck at all. Everything has to be considered in terms of real world price and availability, not MSRP.

The C12VR mentioned above by Moresound is a classic example. It is a mic that bears very little resemblence to an old C12. That old C12 *was* one of the greatest mics ever made. The new one is a *very* good mic, but it is overpriced for what it is, when compared to boutique mics by Brauner, Microtech Gefell, B.L.U.E., or Neumann.

All that said, there are AKG mics that I *love*, and which they will pry from my cold, dead, hand. There are AKG mics that I hate, and which I believe make good paperweights or doorstops, and there are AKG mics which are "OK", which means they compete fairly with their competition at a given price point.
Note that because AKG changes their models quite a bit, you can often bypass the latest and greatest, and get older models dirt cheap for a lot less money, which means you win on bang for buck.

Now I will lay it on the line and tell you just a few of the ones I love, the ones I hate, and the ones that are "OK". Note that this represents a tiny handful of the *hundreds* of mic models produced by AKG over the years.

Ones I hate (a fairly short list):
C1000S- makes a great "marital aid" or nightstick
C3000B- why oh why did Roland use this dog for the basis of all their COSM modeling?
D880- neodymium dynamic at it's worst
D660- the same but worse
D440/D550- cheap, bad drum mics
C430- a cheap, nasty. small diaphragm condenser

Note that most of the above represent a period in time when AKG was trying to build mics for the budget-minded home recording market, but they were still trying to build them in Austria. In the end, they couldn't compete with other companies outsourcing construction to China and Mexico.

Mics that are "OK":

C4000B- basically a solid midrange condenser, compares well to B.L.U.E. Baby Bottle and AT4040
Solid Tube: Like I said, for $1000, it can't compete. For $500-600, compares well to Rode NTK or Studio Projects T3
D112- low frequency mic, compares well to Shure Beta52 and Audix D6, and is more versatile than either of the others. A generally good dynamic mic
Perception Series (all of them)- If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. AKG studio mic series outsourced to China. They compare favorably to everybody else's inexpensive Chinese mic- MXL, SE, CAD, Studio Projects, etc., and they are better than the bottom feeders such as Nady.
C451- a perfectly good small diaphragm condenser- compares well to Shure SM81, for example.

OK- mics I love. Note that some of these I love because they are that good, and some because they weren't popular, and you can get them today new or used at a price far lower than similar mics made by their competitors, or even the AKG mics that replaced them:

C414B-ULS- A new C414 will set you back a grand. You can find these for $500 or so. I prefer it to AT4055 or Shure KSM44. An all purpose studio mic. Good on acoustic guitar, and a great overhead.
C535- A discontinued handheld stage condenser. You have to go up to the much pricier Neumann KMS104/105 to find a better stage condenser. A fair studio mic as well.
D770- A good drum mic, an excellent voiceover mic. AKG's best answer to Shure SM57. I prefer it to the 57 in almost all cases.
D690- Essentially the same mic as D770, but doesn't reject feedback quite as well- same capsule.
D3800 tripower- designed to compete with Sennheiser MD421. The difference is- you can find this bad boy for $100 these days, brand new, in the flight case. A great live piano mic, if you have 2.
D12- discontinued predecessor of the D112. Simply the best kick drum mic ever made, IMHO.
C2000B- My geatest AKG unsung hero that gets no respect. New, for $329 or so, it blows away most of its competitors. The cool part is- you can find them used for about $100. A virtual swiss army knife. Good on acoustic guitar and vocals, excellent as a remote stereo pair or for overheads, great on cabs and any percussion from toms to triangle. Where else can you find a European made, versatile studio condenser that cheap? Bang for buck, it annihalates the mostly Chinese-made competition.

Hope that helps. Note that all of that is just my opinion. YMMV.-Richie

Well said.

But you forgot the D202E - one of the best cardioid dynamics around - equal but different from the Sennheiser MD 421. At least one of these dynamics should be in everyone's mic. locker.

Shame they discontinued the 202 - the D212 is also a goodie (used my the Prime Minister in the House of Commons).
 
No, I didn't forget the D202 or D212, They are just mics I've never used, Thanks for the heads up.-Richie
 
The C12 is probably the best microphone ever made but ..... you won't find it pleasing to your wallet!

Are you reffering to the original or the VR? Yeah, for the original I'm pretty sure I will have to turn my pockets inside out :). But what about the VR? Is it worth 5000 US?
 
So we don't compare apples and oranges, we have to compare the C12VR against its legitimate competition. B.L.U.E. Bottle is really a $6000 mic, so that might not be fair, especially with all the pricey capsules. Several other manufacturers make mics that cost quite a bit more. It is probably also unfair to compare the multipattern C12VR to single pattern cardioid mics, no matter how good they may be (Brauner Phantom V- ooh baby). So we have to look at multipattern large diaphragm condensers that are basically $5000 or less, new. Moreover, I don't care whether they have tubes in them or not. We can take up that discussion another time. Lastly, before a little list, I feel required to say- *These aren't mics I get to use every day. Mostly, I use them when I'm asleep (in my dreams). What I know about them is the same that y'all can find out by reading the reviews of the big-time engineers, recording artists, and high-end gear dealers who actually get their grubby little hands on them. I'm not Bill Gates.* It is also fair to say that I *have* used a C12VR, in a perfectly good studio, and wound up switching to B.L.U.E. Kiwi. The C12VR wasn't the shoe that fit me.

FET mics:

Neumann U89I
Josephson C715
B.L.U.E. Kiwi (ha! I actually own this one now)
Microtech Gefell UMT800

Tube mics:

Microtech Gefell UM 92.1S
Manley Gold Reference
Neumann M149
B.L.U.E. Cactus

Based (almost) entirely on the reviews of rich mofos with good ears. I would rather own *any* of the mics above than a C12VR. On the other hand, for my purposes, I'd be more likely to say to hell with the multiple polar patterns and just give me a cardioid mic that knows what it's trying to do (Brauner Phantom V-ooh baby). May each and every one of you do well enough to be able to afford the kind of mics listed above.-Richie
 
I've gone through a whole list of AKG mics and loved them all.
The Solid Tube is my all time favourite.
I bought a 2000B here and love it.
Recently picked up a C451 EB with the CK1 capsule and am looking for more capsules.
Have owned a couple of Perceptions and C3000 mics and was suitably impressed by them.
I have to stand up for the C1000S too. A truly awesome mic.
All in all, AKG is my brand of choice.
Maybe I've just been lucky, by the way but Nady has never let me down either.
 
I have to say, I like the C-1000 and C-3000 too but not for what I originally bought them for. I wanted them for drum overheads, acoustic guitars and vocals but ended up prefering the 1000's on snare or toms and the 3000 on floor toms. That's about the only place I use them anymore but I do use them all the time there.
 
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