Creating a fader/panner delay...

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Well, for lack of better terms just as the title says.

Basically I'm trying to achieve the effect that a lot of songs I hear use in songs. What it is is that sound would start from one side of a pan, like for left, then fade or pan to the opposite side. And vice-versa for a certain amount of time. Or maybe just a bounce between the left pan and the right pan instead of fade.

Again, not sure what to call it exactly, I was thinking of an autopanner or some type of crossfade, but not really sure at this point. Is there certain type of plugin to achieve this or is it a matter of experimentation?
 
Don't know if there's plugs that do that but I would be surprised if there weren't actually..
You can set up pan automation, and might find more to it than simple 'linear moves.
 
Just automate the gain - or use a fade - and automate the pan to cross-pan at the same time.

If it's bouncing back and forth while decaying, what a lot of places do/did was use sound-with-sound (not to be confused with sound-on-sound) on an open-reel tape deck. I used to do this all the time with my 1020L (I want it back! :P) In these digital days, there are plenty of stereo reverb/delays (hard and soft) that will do that as well. Just head over to KVR audio and start snooping the reverb plugs for "stereo bounce" or something similar.

G.
 
I think the term you are looking for is "ping pong delay." Most delay plug-ins have a setting like this already. If you want to set one up manually set up two aux tracks, pan one hard left and the other hard right and put the same amount of delay on each. Then send your source signal to the first aux. Now create a send from this aux to the other aux but be sure to lower the amount or it will make a feedback loop. That gives two separate delays. Now from the second aux, send another lowered send back to the first aux and you get repeating, diminishing delays. The amount you send between the auxes is functioning as your feedback control. To change things up you can add filters or distortion to the aux tracks as well. (sorry if all the auxes got confusing there....a plug-in with a ping pong delay will make it easy.)
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Just automate the gain - or use a fade - and automate the pan to cross-pan at the same time.

If it's bouncing back and forth while decaying, what a lot of places do/did was use sound-with-sound (not to be confused with sound-on-sound) on an open-reel tape deck. I used to do this all the time with my 1020L (I want it back! :P)
G.
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Hey Glen! Not to sidetrack the thread, but...I just scored for a second Pioneer 1020L this past week and the deck is in beautiful condition! The 1020L is perfect for what you described! I just did a band rehearsal recording with it, and no digital recorder can come close! I love my 1020L's!
The first one I got had some internal problems (minor)...but now it is working perfectly like new!
If I ever decide to get rid of one of them,...I'll let you know...if you happen to be lookin' for one.
 
If you want it to slowly drift from one side to the other and back, the easiest way to do it is add a tremolo plug set to a really slow setting. Sound Toys makes a plug called PanMan. It allows you to do anything imaginable with panning. Tons of cool presets that you can tweak. It's expensive though, since it comes as part of a bundle of great plug-ins.
 
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VESSEL2020 said:
Hey Glen! Not to sidetrack the thread, but...I just scored for a second Pioneer 1020L this past week and the deck is in beautiful condition! The 1020L is perfect for what you described! I just did a band rehearsal recording with it, and no digital recorder can come close! I love my 1020L's!
The first one I got had some internal problems (minor)...but now it is working perfectly like new!
If I ever decide to get rid of one of them,...I'll let you know...if you happen to be lookin' for one.
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Very cool! I'm envious. :o

I haven't had mine since the late 80s sometime. I had bought it used from a friend in the late 70s, got a LOT of use out if it for several years, and re-sold it to another friend for the same thing I bought it for at the time ($200). Except for a little scratch on one of the wood side panels, it was in pristine condition when I had it, and sounded really nice loaded up with Maxell UDXL 10" tape.

One of these days I want to go back to some of the old setup, including something like the 1020L and a nice 1/4" or 1/2" multitracker and some good ol' farfield speakers again. I got a buddy who has an Otari 8-track just sitting and literally collecting dust in the back storeroom where he works. It could use some small refurbishing, and I'd love to take it off his hands and make an "This Old Tape Deck" refurb project out of it, but I've been unable to talk him into it so far. I'll break him down one of these days... ;)

Right now I don't have the disposable income for any new toys like that, but I'd appreciate it if you gave me a heads up if/when you do sell one of your decks. The worst that could happen is I would have to say, "No, sorry." if I'm not ready to buy one them.

In the meantime, have lots of fun with it! I know I did with mine.

G.
 
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SouthSIDE Glen said:
Right now I don't have the disposable income for any new toys like that, but I'd appreciate it if you gave me a heads up if/when you do sell one of your decks. The worst that could happen is I would have to say, "No, sorry." if I'm not ready to buy one them.

In the meantime, have lots of fun with it! I know I did with mine.

G.
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I will, my friend..I will.
Hope ya get that Otari!
 
Wow, lots of methods here. I'll have to sift through and see which produces the best results. Of course there's always experimentation so I'll have to do that as well.

I messed with the preset auto-panner in Cubase and was able to produce the result I want to some extent, in that only certain frequencies or parts of the music cross faded.

I tried the ping pong delay before, but only achieve more a less, an echo. Even when I tried to set the rates at a form of ratio between the right and left. But I didn't try using more than 2 aux so I'll have to mess around with that.

Thanks for the tips, I'll look into them and see what I get.
 
As I said hard to really describe what I'm trying to get at. I think some got the jist of it. I really think I'm looking for more of an auto-panner than anything else. Basically sound would be more focused on one ear of the listener then travel to the other ear and vice-versa. Sort of like if you were to stand in front of a PA system and tell the sound man to pan the music far left then slowly move it right and back again.
 
Ninja_Drummer said:
As I said hard to really describe what I'm trying to get at. I think some got the jist of it. I really think I'm looking for more of an auto-panner than anything else. Basically sound would be more focused on one ear of the listener then travel to the other ear and vice-versa. Sort of like if you were to stand in front of a PA system and tell the sound man to pan the music far left then slowly move it right and back again.
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Ok, well, that's just simple pan automation. No plugs needed for that. I don't know why you seemed to be fading "only certain frequencies"; pan should work on the entire track only.

Unless maybe you're automating a VST setting instead of the track pan itself. Try setting up a pan automation only it on a plain vanilla track that you're not doing anything else to, first. Once you get that working by itself, then after that, go ahead and add any other VST effect you may have on there.

G.
 
i'm tellin' ya man. It's simple to just put a tremolo plug on and slow it way down. Does exactly what you are asking for. You can set it for 1/2 bar, 1 bar, 4 bars, whatever speed you want, and it will slowly drift from side to side.
 
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