How to get a "good ear"?

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With brass playing there's all sorts of mouthpiece only exercises and pencil exercises and tons of thing that don't involve playing a trombone to get better at playing a trombone. But ultimately there's no substitute for the real thing. Sure those other things help and might help address a particular flaw that needs addressing. But you can get there from here without it. It might take a good long while, and you might be bored out of your head without a little variety. But you can make it work.

All I'm saying is that you need a certain familiarity with a sound that isn't / was NOT "recorded" to know what the "recording" should sound like. Sure Hollywood has trained us on what some things should sound like. But for those of us who've actually been to / performed in a purely acoustic group (sans anything electric). And whatever you used to record and deliver sounds nothing like the actual group as we know it sounds having been in it half a decade or so. Then we'll probably seek out someone with a different setup / process until we find someone that can give us what we expect. Or do the whole damn thing ourselves because such a thing doesn't exist. I'm just saying you need some familiarity with the real world sound in order to help make your sound a better match to that sound. Versus the sound of everyone elses bad recordings. The modern equivalent of a marching band being 50+ bass drums and a cymbal if you go by what you hear on the radio. And I don't doubt that somewhere such a group exists. But it's more common for that to be furthest from the real world configuration of most groups.
 
In a choir...you only sound as good as the rest of the singers. ;)

I've heard some god awful choirs...and the funny thing is...they all thought they sang well! :D
 
I like Gekko ZZed's Perry Como advice, especially if you talking about listening in regard to recording/producing/mixing/etc. Which, if you're not, you might be in the wrong place:)

I'll stay about of the choir debate. . .

My advice based on something that has helped me, again presuming your question comes out of an interest in recording/producing, is to use the MP3 Mixing clinic here. When you record something, play it for your friends and family for the feel good, and then post it here (MP3 clinic, that is). You'll get great commentary on what other people hear. Then listen to your stuff again and see if you can hear the same. Sometimes you will, sometimes you won't, sometimes you will, but you'll disagree with whatever the comment was, but for me anyway, it has been a great way to hear things I was previously oblivious to. Be prepared, though, you won't ever be able to listen to the radio the same way ever again cause you'll be listening in a different way.

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I have sung in a choir and if you happen to stand beside somebody who sings very flat it is not a pleasant experience at all.
If you want to develop a good ear for music you don't have to join a choir to do so.
How do you develop a good ear for music ?, just keep listening and discover what turns you on musically.

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I bring a different one of my children to live shows that I mix all of the time. They all listen to their own favorite music and never is it the same as what I mix for.
For instance last night my 14 year old son came to help me at a Doo-Wopp hall of fame inductee show with the Ink Spots as the head liner and several other supporting acts and let my son handle the console for certain times.
We in the past have talked about different part of the arrangements of a song and how it all meshes to become a total final collaboration.
My son Kyle now has the path to follow for having a good ear and knows how to listen. How the drums of say the doo-wopp sounds very different than to days drums, how reverb is used to simulate the sound that was captured for a given style of music, the volume of each instrument with in the mix.
He now asks me when ever he hears something a little bit different in a mix of a song he may be listening to, so we sit and analyze it and we both learn.
I feel he is well on his way to becoming a nit picking music annalist and hopefully he will be able to have the ability to pass this gift on to others.
 
A related question:

Is it possible to develop a good ear if you have tiinnitus or other hearing loss/damage?
 
How to get a "good ear"?

with some "good chloroform" and a "good knife"


:)
 
Ha! That's a good one! Most of the commercial music out today (but not all...) is crap, but you'd not know it by the success these... "artists" are having. That doesn't make their music good! If the song makes you feel good, then it's good music. If not, then it's not good music. End of story.
 
Ha! That's a good one! Most of the commercial music out today (but not all...) is crap, but you'd not know it by the success these... "artists" are having. That doesn't make their music good! If the song makes you feel good, then it's good music. If not, then it's not good music. End of story.
But that's contradicting your statement. If those 'artists' are having big success, then they're obviously making loads of people feel good, which, by your definition, makes it good music. So according to your definition, it can't be crap.

Of course, you could weave your way out quite seamlessly if you start talking about paradoxes. They're always good for contradictions.....:D
 
A related question:

Is it possible to develop a good ear if you have tiinnitus or other hearing loss/damage?
I think so, though it may involve a little more effort and be difficult at times. Brian Wilson was deaf in one ear, but he had a good ear. Pete Townshend had to overcome hearing loss and he has a good ear. My mate Matt had tinitus for a while and he could instantly spot if an instrument was sharp or flat or in tune or pick up any key and play if someone started singing.
 
My latest challenge is to get the toms from over powering the rest of the mix.
Play the toms softer.
My drummer is heavy handed and it's not realistic to ask him to hit the toms softer.
Not realistic? Give him the business until he hits the toms softer. It's not rocket science. It's practice.
So i'm messing with the mics and compression. I've become obsessed with this.
You're barking up the wrong tree. Start barking at your drummer.
 
My mate Matt had tinitus for a while and he could instantly spot if an instrument was sharp or flat or in tune or pick up any key and play if someone started singing.

I think we're talking about two different aspects of having a good ear here. There's the musical aspect (e.g., having perfect pitch, or at least being able to identify notes and chords), then there's the sonic aspect (e.g., being able to tell if a recording fills the frequency spectrum in a balanced way, if the mix creates a proper sense of space, etc.).
 
Play the toms softer.Not realistic? Give him the business until he hits the toms softer. It's not rocket science. It's practice. You're barking up the wrong tree. Start barking at your drummer.

Yep, drummers can be pig-headed. See 85% of Greg L's post...:laughings:
 
Yep, drummers can be pig-headed. See 85% of Greg L's post...:laughings:

Lol. You simply can't stop thinking about me. Look dummy, it's okay to be pig-headed when you're right - which I am 100% of the time. Nice try though, choir-dork. Gimme your fucking lunch money, kid.
 
But that's contradicting your statement. If those 'artists' are having big success, then they're obviously making loads of people feel good, which, by your definition, makes it good music. So according to your definition, it can't be crap.

You're ignoring the fact that these successful artists are successful more for their looks, than their musical ability. How many top ten artists in the past decade couldn't make at least a modest living in modeling if they didn't have the music gig? Not that the 80s are the bench mark, but at least you could be ugly AND successful back then. With nick names like johnny rotten mouth.
 
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