Gluing down bolt-on necks...

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don't do glue.


do THIS instead:

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http://www.onyxforgeguitars.com/Insert kit.html

I didn't at first get what you were really trying to say with that picture...I just saw the link below it.

You're talking about the metal inserts...rigtht?

My neck already had them...it was originally manufactured with metal inserts, so there's no issue with the wood holes striping out, but like mentioned, it's only a 2-bolt, and it's narrower and more rectangular instead of square, like the 4-bolt...but even if torque them down, it's not the same as 4-bolts, plus this is a mahogany neck and body, so a bit softer than a maple neck. I don't want to get too crazy cranking down the bolts and end up ripping the inserts out, or worse, cracking the neck joint.

The little dab of glue worked like a charm, and combined with the well tightened bolts it now feels like a set-in neck.

If I get a minute, I’ll take some picks of the neck joint in question.
 
Yup...only TWO bolts. :D
OK…I guess you guys want a visual…..

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These are my vintage 1973-74 Swedes. The cherry colored one (next to the black one) is the one that I just worked on and used some glue to set the neck joint better. The other two are natural colors. The light honey blonde one the left is my original Swede that I purchased new in 1974.

Swedes_02.jpg



The darker one on the right I ended up refinishing because it had too many cosmetic issues when got it, and it actually came out great. I sanded, but someone else sprayed on the lacquer, and we also added a touch of red stain to the wood just the deepen the color. For a guitar that saw little play (the frets are like-new)…it sure had some cosmetic issues, and also the bridge posts had been forced way deep into the body…so I had to pull them out and build up the holes so the posts sat at the correct position. That came out real good.
I know some folks are always worried about touching even a single rusty screw on an older guitar...but I like to fix what needs fixing and give 'em a good spit-n-polish and make them presentable and playable rather than just treat them like some relic that shouldn't be touched. Heck, some people won’t even remove the dirt-n-grime off of a vintage guitar. YUK! :(

The cherry and black one didn't get any kind of serious work done on them (other than the neck thing I just did). The black one came to me in excellent condition, and I got it for a really great price...less than half of what they usually go for at resale. AFA the rest of the parts…all four are stock with all original hardware.

I just redressed the frets on my original honey blonde, which probably has seen the most play out of all four. I did a lot of gigs with that guitar, and it has a lot of dings to show for it….but I’m going to leave that one as-is. I also did a light fret dressing on the cherry…since who ever owned/played it before, must have spent all their time playing only within the first 5 frets! :) There was some fret-chew that needed to be removed.

Anyway...to get back to the neck joint...
I don't really want to pull one open right now of the other three that are not glued in, as they are all strung up with fresh strings and recently adjusted...but maybe the next time I work on one I will take a picture of the actual neck joint. It's interesting how the Swedish luthiers did it, considering it's only a 2-bolt. There is a thin lip at the base of the joint socket on the body, so when you put the neck in, it actually compresses in a bit as the lip makes the socket narrower at the bottom, and that’s the main contact point.
I think the problem with the cherry neck was that the previous owner(?) put a couple of thin plastic shims at the base, to raise up (??) the whole neck, and over time that caused that lip to open up at its upper edges, plus the plastic shims were creating a more slippery surface. I pulled all that out, and put the neck back where it should be, but I think the minor damage to the socket was already done.
It's fine now...the neck is correctly aligned and no more cracking noises. She plays like butter now, especially with the fret re-dress.
 
a comment on white elmers compared to yellow.

There is very little difference between stabndards Elmers and the 'Wood' glue as far as strength goes.
The biggest reason to use yellow for carpenters is that it doesn't clog up sandpaper as much as the white stuff. That's the primary thing.
So for someone who's gluing down something like Miroslav did, there's no advantage to using the yellow glue.
 
Hagstrom Swedes - nice group. I had a chance to buy some crazy version with some kind of synth shit built in. I don't really remember what all it was but it looked like something that didn't work and was probably never going to. It was allegedly factory original. Knowing the guy that was selling it it was probably stolen.

Anyway those are nice guits. Never knew they were even bolt-on never mind two bolt. They must be acquiring some collector value now.


lou
 
You're taking about the Swede Patch 2000 model.

Yeah...IMO, those are oddball dogs...and I've not ever seen them command the same resale value. Maybe if there was ever a 100% functional one...but that's usually not the case...and then you just have a guitar with a lot of useless electronics and a HUGE pack-plate cutout....YUK!

The vintage Hags are not commanding crazy prices, but there are a lot of Hag collectors out there. I'm strictly into the standard Swedes and mainly from the 73-75-ish years...I'm don't remember the exact start/stop dates, but the very first versions of the "Swede" did the tailpiece a touch differently...and then somewhere past the mid-70's they went with the covered chrome tailpiece w/acrylic base-plate and large metal string blocks (same as what you now see on the reissues) and a different style of bridge.
My collecting interest is focused on the years with the tailpiece and bridge as seen in the picture. It was a specific period for the Swedes.

Some guys also like the Super Swede which was introduced a little later, alongside the standard Swede. Main difference, the SS has a 25.25" scale while the Swede is 24.75"...and, the SS doesn't have the second 3-way tone switch, but instead it has a mini-toggle by the knobs which does coil-splitting.

I have a reissued SS...nice guitar, but I'm just more partial to the standard Swede in vintage and reissue. I have a bunch of both right now.

The vintage resale has gone done a bit now due to the huge number of reissues available…so it’s a good time to buy the vintage ones…you can get them now for maybe $600-$800 only (some guys are asking crazy prices) due to the large number of reissues that floded the market the last few years…but on the high-end, the prices were up in the $1500-$2000 range (before the Hagstrom revival)…and I’m sure they will be up again since the vintage ones only get older and rarer…and now there are many more people playing Hagstrom guitars and many more know about them than back in the 70s.

I think the reissues are great builds and great finish quality…though many end up needing a good set up…which isn’t a big deal. They sound really sweet (the reissue pickups are actually really good), but they don’t sound exactly like the vintage Hags. Of course…the Hagstrom neck is what it’s all about…probably one of the fastest and easiest playing necks ever made, and one of the most stable ones thanks to the H-rod system, of course if you like a huge fat/round neck…you may not like the Hagstrom guitars.
Oh…all the reissues are set-in necks…no bolt-on.
 
Now here's something I didn't know.

http://www.hagstrom.org.uk/hagstrom_fans.htm

Scroll down just a tad and see Frank Zappa playing the Patch! At the Armadillo where Bongo Fury was recorded. I wonder if it's on the album. If I had known that I'd have bought the one I came across!! Coulda snagged it for four bills or so but like I said the chain of ownership was probably sketchy at best. As I recall there was some master control box or sound generator you had to plug the "midi" (whatever it was) cord into. I don't think he had that.

I found that page 'cause I searched Bob Seger Hagstrom Swede. The first time I ever saw (and played) a Swede was 1979. The owner said it was just like Bob Seger's guitar. I remember he told me the extra toggle was a phase switch. I had no clue.

Anyway...I love learning about vintage shit. I've got a couple Les Pauls but they won't be "vintage" for a few years yet and I can't afford the vintage stuff now. Fuckin' 60's Juniors are going for six-seven grand and up. Crazy shit.

I'd kinda like to grab an old Vox paddle or teardrop. Neat shit. Not the "organ-guitar" though. :p


lou
 
Cool. I saw Dweezil back in July but I don't think he played that axe. The whole concept of that ad is awesome. Thanks for sharing.


lou
 
I traded a 1954 Les Paul Fretless Wonder prototype (now worth 100 grand easy) for a Hagstrom Swede and a bag of white cross!

:laughings::laughings::laughings:
 
I'm sure at the time you thought it was a killer deal! :laughings:
Was the white cross good at least? :D

Just goes to show you how much those Swedes were worth at one time!!! ;)
 
I'm sure at the time you thought it was a killer deal! :laughings:
Was the white cross good at least? :D
yes and yes.

At that time no one really had any idea that old guitars would be worth THAT much.

I didn't like the tiny frets of the Gibson (REALLY didn't like them) and I did like the Swede.
I only had $100 in the Paul so who cared?

Wish I had either of them back now though ................ along with several other gits that are now worth 6 figures.

oh well ............ just found out I'm gonna die someday too ............... guess life doesn't always accomodate you.

:D
 
I hope my kids like guitars and amps and shit more than money 'cause that's what they're gonna get.


lou
 
I traded a 1954 Les Paul Fretless Wonder prototype (now worth 100 grand easy) for a Hagstrom Swede and a bag of white cross!

:laughings::laughings::laughings:

I don't suppose this would be a good time to tell you that white cross was just, err, caffeine? :laughings:
 
Man...don't ruin the memory for him any more than it is already... :laughings:
 
Hey miro - I checked out yer tunez. Nice stuff. I detect a bit of Santana influence, no?


lou
 
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