The Master: 4 2 floor bass & Gerry's newie

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Hello Folks,
I've tried to get the mix to gell a little better.
I've followed Nak's recco re a more 4/4 bass line to match the drums.
Changed the drum reverb and dropped in Gerry's new solos.
Whaddayarekun?
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C5PGQ0GA
 
Ray, the kick sounds a bit too loud and boomy on my system and the jangly guitars are a bit loud. Gerry's solos could be a teeny bit louder. Let's see what the other guys think.;)
 
Sounds good! The kick is a wee loud. I like the way you used parts of the old solo in the 2nd half - gives it a little spice there. Solo volume is good for me.... :D
 
The drums sound better now IMO
but as mentioned the kick is a bit to loud and prominent.

The bass line is better incorporated with the drums now.
I still think the bass line could benefit from hitting the kick notes a bit more, but thats nitpicking:D

Did you add any eq to the jangly guitars?, I never noticed it before but they sound kinda harsh in the upper mids highs probbably around or over 5K's.
 
im on my best cans at the mo' so take with a pinch :)


i thought the kick was a ball hair too loud...everything seemed the right level otherwise

i think i preferred Gerry's first solo...not the performance or anything...i also preferred the first bassline lol

mind you i did listen to it for almost a whole night...i would have just lowered Joes vocal and stuck a compressor across the track and it wouldve been done

so best just ignore me ;)
 
I think it's getting better. The entire kit can come down some, or turn everything else up a little, but equally. The overheads are a little overpowering.
 
Yeah ray, as far as the gel factor, I'd say it is more, uh...gelatinous now.

I think I liked the original solo better, but this is cool too.

There now seems to be an overal slushy/sizzly sort of finish to the whole thing. Maybe that is an excess of overhead mics, or perhaps I am asleep at the wheel here...

Either way, I like this mix better and the sounds blend more now, I just think the cymbals and whatnot are overly dominant now...maybe?
 
rayc said:
Bumped so Props can have a squiz at it - oh, I'm back to uploading again here's the soundclick page link
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=469622
which has the last few things finally on it.
The version on S/click is different to the one at the top of this thread - comparisons welcome.
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Ya mean me? Ahh...I'm flattered. :o
First things first...Your voice is amazing! It kicks total ass! The songs is very calming. There is this thing at the first (this isn't going to sound technical at all but...) that goes "ding" (I think it's the ride) and pans back and forth like crazy. I love that! It kind of sucked me into the song.

The vocal (though great) sounds a bit dry and centered. I know that there is delay, but it is mono correct? Maybe it cound be spred out.

Another thing, the guitars which are really high up in freq. have a strange washy phase thing going on above them. I'm thinking that it's probably just a product of the mp3 encoding.

It is a great song, and I find nothing wrong with the level of the kick. Are they real drums? They sound great! I also like the solo. The high pad-like harmonic noises going on over it are also a very nice touch. Great job!

-Adam.
 
Adam,
The vocals & melody are by Joe Mizzi, JoeyM to the clinic. The drums are real - they're Greg L & the solo is Ido1957 the rest of the mash, (about 15 guitars, sundry percussion & bass), is me.
The cymbal you mentioned is actually a pair of thumb cymbals through a leslie simulation pan.
Vocals are very dry at present - still a mix in progress I'm afraid & I've not done anything with it for a fortnight as I was getting fatigued by it & figured a bit of time & a few more comments might bring me around.
the high pad thing is actually a guitar effect I've heavily tweaked. It's called Soft Focus on the Yamaha FX500 unit from the mid 80's. I've fiddled with it quite a bit to get that particular effect - I think I like it!
Thanks for the kind words.
Check your PM.
heatmiser,
I hear the slushy stuff. I'll get to it.
Greg,
Will do maestro!
 
I love this tune, just listened to the megaupload and soundclick versions maybe half a dozen times. Lots going on here...if vintage Page and Fripp-era Bowie got together with the guys from Zebra, I suspect it might sound a bit like this.

(all following comments are on the soundclick version through 'phones)

Great drum sound and playing. Stylistically, I never would have guessed in a million years it was Greg L, having never heard him outside the context of his originals - although now that I know, I can hear that it's him.

Regarding the several comments on the kick in this thread...IMO, the soundclick version is a vast improvement, at least in my 'phones. Still a chest-thumper, but not out front and overbearing like the megaupload version.

The rhythm guitars sound a mile deep. I like the effect at the intro with the distant out-of-tune guitar gradually getting closer - and magically tuning itself in the process :). This is an effect that very few artists have used well (Keith Richards and Peter Buck come to mind as two who have, although I wouldn't bet that Keef's was intentional...). Well done.

Nice, very appropriate solo guitar tone. The level seems to start off a bit too low though on the first bar of the first solo, and there seems to be what sounds like an obvious edit @ 1:43. Otherwise, awesome...great feel, phrasing and note choice.

The second solo....not blown away. A couple of oddball level changes @ 3:42 and 3:52. Sounds like a scratch take, not at all up to the standard set by the first solo.

My only other minor nit - I would have liked to hear the drums open up a bit during the guitar solos and the sections that start at :46. 2:10, etc.. Some ride at these points might add some additional movement to these sections. Just a personal preference though.

Overall though, very well done.

-Bob
 
rayc said:
Adam,
The vocals & melody are by Joe Mizzi, JoeyM to the clinic. The drums are real - they're Greg L & the solo is Ido1957 the rest of the mash, (about 15 guitars, sundry percussion & bass), is me.
The cymbal you mentioned is actually a pair of thumb cymbals through a leslie simulation pan.
Vocals are very dry at present - still a mix in progress I'm afraid & I've not done anything with it for a fortnight as I was getting fatigued by it & figured a bit of time & a few more comments might bring me around.
the high pad thing is actually a guitar effect I've heavily tweaked. It's called Soft Focus on the Yamaha FX500 unit from the mid 80's. I've fiddled with it quite a bit to get that particular effect - I think I like it!
Thanks for the kind words.
Check your PM.
heatmiser,
I hear the slushy stuff. I'll get to it.
Greg,
Will do maestro!
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JoeyM...I should have realized that. That's the second time I've complemented the wrong person this week. Sorry, and cool voice JoeyM. Greg? I should have guessed. It screams of his drumming. I don't remember much about Ido1957, but I remember liking his guitar playing.

So you broke out the 80s guitar unit huh? Nothing like vintage gear to spice up a song. It really does sound very cool.

-Adam.
 
propman said:
JoeyM...I should have realized that. That's the second time I've complemented the wrong person this week. Sorry, and cool voice JoeyM. Greg? I should have guessed. It screams of his drumming. I don't remember much about Ido1957, but I remember liking his guitar playing.

So you broke out the 80s guitar unit huh? Nothing like vintage gear to spice up a song. It really does sound very cool.

-Adam.
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Thanx for the nice comments Adam. :)
When Ray sent me the track, I thought Bowie right away, it's the right style. And I've always been a big Bowie fan up to Scary Monsters. After that I feel he went too mainstream, but I still love his amazing voice.
 
Crap! I just noticed the sound-click link right after I went through the cloak-n-dagger code-entering, giving a blood sample, Mega-shit-load site 2X!!:eek:
Wow, this is music for thinking people with open minds...which leaves me at a disadvantage :o. Just when I thought Joe couldn't stray any further from his metal roots. Joe your voice sounds great even when what you are singing goes right over my head :confused:. I'm coming to this a little late, so it seems like all the mix nits are fixed, cuz it sounds pretty good to me. I'm not crazy bout the intro, nor the acoustic sounds in general, but i think you were going for a more 70's sound, which I think you got. Very nice EZ Drummer programming ;).
Great collab, a little 'out there', but still cool.
:D:cool:
 
tmx said:
The second solo....not blown away. A couple of oddball level changes @ 3:42 and 3:52. Sounds like a scratch take, not at all up to the standard set by the first solo.
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D'oh ! Guess I better re-revisit this track sometime ;)
 
Gerry,
don't worry - I did a splice of the old & new solo for the second section but haven't tidied it up yet - it jumps in vol a bit & may not be the best spot for the segue.
Have a listen to the s/click version for a closer match.
Maxi,
Greg will love your ezidrummer line! What about the inro/outro don't you like? Re: the solo - see above. Acoustic sounds? Do you mean sounds of acoustic guitars or the non midi/synth content?
 
rayc said:
Gerry,
don't worry - I did a splice of the old & new solo for the second section but haven't tidied it up yet - it jumps in vol a bit & may not be the best spot for the segue.
Have a listen to the s/click version for a closer match.
Maxi,
Greg will love your ezidrummer line! What about the inro/outro don't you like? Re: the solo - see above. Acoustic sounds? Do you mean sounds of acoustic guitars or the non midi/synth content?
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I think I know what you were trying to do with the acoustic guitar (or is that a clean elec.?:confused:) intro - an eq'd out/distant sound faded into the real sound (which didn't get better). I'm not sure it worked, but hey, I could be high.:drunk: I just don't like that hippie (jangly) acoustic sound, it reminds me of my own acoustic tone which I hate. It fits the song though if you were going for that retro vibe. ;):D:cool:

Joe- I keep hearing...(cuz your voice always takes me away into metal-la-la-land) this song done ala Fates Warning (remember them?). hmm? Harmonized metal gtr riffing, over-drumming, your voice up and octave during the chorus! Yea? :D:):cool:
 
Maxi,
NOW I understand: unfortunately for you the jangly hippy semi-acoustic (1970 Bruno Royal Artist) sound is something I'm wedded to. The 1st guitar is just DI with a bit of High boost the 2nd is the same guitar DI'd with some drive, blend (Behri presence) & level. It's not even so much the sound of the guitar (though that has an big impact on the sound) but the chords I end up with - almost always with drones & jangles - I'm a hardwired hippymetalpunkprogpsychhead. (I was the only person in a small country city bearded, longhaired & pogoing to the Damned 1st single then heading back to my room to play Sabotage, Budgie, Berlin era Lou Reed & such).
A metal version of the song? Hmm, it's not interesting enough in the chord dept. 7& whilst Joey has a a superb metal throat his vocal on this song is just perfect for the setting.
 
"hippymetalpunkprogpsychhead" - LOL! ur weird :D Good thing I'm so normal :confused:
 
Yeah... I read the comments for this one a few days ago, and had to make time to listen to it.

Greg - your drums (kick in particular) sound crisp and punchy - pro-grade. Guitar solo - dude - Gerry, you rock. Love it.

Then Joey's vocals are as powerful as ever. I really dig it...

This song, and collab rocks hard. I love this place.

Great job, Ray! I love it.
 
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