Questions/Tascam 424 mk II?

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Define "everything". Cables? Mics? Monitors? Or just the recorder?
Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of this... http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/R16/
It works as a stand alone recorder *and* a computer interface. I've heard positives things around here, but I haven't tried it personally. That'll get you 8 mics pres. If you want a purely standalone solution, Tascam, Zoom and a few others make digital units that would be basically the 21st century version of a cassette portastudio. If you want a lo-fi sound (which is fine, and lots of people are into that), then go cassette. Otherwise, I'd be looking digital. Also, I'm not a fan of used gear, but lots of people are fine with it. I just like to have the option of returning something if it doesn't work right or meet my needs.

Well, to be honest, I haven't gone over absolutely everything that I need to buy yet. But at the very least, the recorder/interface, cables, mics, and external preamp if needed. I haven't yet decided which mics exactly, either, but probably nothing too strange-- whatever the "standard" is for micing drums. I already have headphones, should I think about investing in monitors for recording? My headphones are big sound-isolation type ones that I was planning on using as recording monitors.

I'm definitely intrigued by that digital interface you suggested. I was afraid I was gonna have to spend more than $500 on just the interface, so hopefully this one will do the job, I'll try and find some more information on it.
 
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OK, I know that a lot of people have different opinions about analog vs. digital on here, and I know that each is suited to achieve a certain sound (so to say, one method is not necessarily "better" in all cases). Although digital is obviously newer and much more popular because of the ease of starting a digitally-based home studio nowadays, I think this is where I stand:

-I believe that for my purposes, I'll be able to record what I want, with decent enough quality, on a 4-track analog recorder. My main concern is: many people have said that bouncing tracks will severely diminish the sound quality. I definitely plan on bouncing tracks after recording drums so I can use multiple tracks for the drums and then do guitars/vocals afterwards. Is it really that harmful for the sound quality to do so? Just wondering. But even if it is, I feel like I can live with that for my first home recording experience.

-I do really dig the idea of a digital interface because I think the digital route has many advantages that analog doesn't. BUT after looking up digital interfaces with 4+ inputs for recording drums, I can't seem to find one that (according to reviews) has everything: dependability, good mic pre's, good sound quality...it seems like they all try to pack in as many features as they can and only some of the features are actually any good. I know that I probably won't get *very* good sound quality on an old 4-track analog recorder either, but I'm ok with that, since I'm just starting, and I don't want to waste money on a cheap digital interface with pointless on-board effects, etc. I still definitely feel like I'd rather save up and get an all-around high-quality digital interface later on once I actually know what I'm doing.

-Then my big main other concerns are external preamp and mics (but I'm gonna spend a lot of time looking up mics and reviews before I start asking about them). As far as preamp, how does this look? Is it something I could use with an analog recorder now and a digital recorder in the future? A lot of people have seemed to stress the importance of a high-quality phantom power supply, so I'm willing to spend a little more money on a good preamp if you have another recommendation.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DigiMaxD8/
 
I gotta say I loved my 424 literally to death (R.I.P. 1993-2001). The trouble with analog recorders is that since they are mechanically driven, they will eventually suffer some kind of mechanical breakdown and they are getting more and more rare, so it isn't easy to just send in somewhere to get it fixed. I now have a 464 which is the high end of cassette 4track, one of the last of its kind, and it still sounds awesome, and has a mixer and routing capabilities and preamps for all the XLRs plus the extra stereo channels etc etc just like the 424s plus a bit more channel inputs. They are cool even if just used as a mixer and never even put a tape in them. Even if you eventually go digital, it is nice to get your basic signal recorded onto a slightly overloaded tape to get that warm saturated natural compression that characterizes analog sound (where clipping volume by a slight amount sounds really good instead of horrible)

As it sounds like you aren't looking to spend much I can offer my advice as a long time (like 24 years ago I got my first cassette 4track) budget home recordist: If you want to have fun for a while it's nice and cheap and easy to use, especially if you are just using mics on amps and drums and such. The moment you want to expand beyond that and start polishing up mixes you will have to worry about getting more outboard gear though. Compressors, reverbs, and all that polishy stuff will up your cost of your budget buy studio quite a bit, plus getting it into digital realm means a good computer system, soundcard, interface, etc...

OR (and I much prefer the "OR" path since I love my knobs and sliders, and I love cheap solution gear)...

The budget buy standalone digitals are a good bargain for cheap yet usable recording. It all comes right there in a single unit, or you can use them as interface by USB to your computer. Most have built in effects and editing, some have built in mics, some even have built in CD burners so you can convert to audio CD format and pop one right out of the machine without even going through a computer, or convert to MP3 and dump it onto a computer to put up online.

A downside to these wonderful things is that, unlike software, they are mostly not expandable (unless you call having outboard effect sends, or USB-ing files to a computer hard drive to clear up onboard space an expansion)... but on the bright side is that they usually have the basics covered pretty well so you may not really need to expand it.

A lot of them only record 2 channels in at once too (more channels come on the more expensive ones, you get what you pay for) but if you end up having the 424, you can use that as a mixer for (say 4 drum mics) submixing and then routing into a L-R stereo pair of tracks on the digital recorder.

A couple you might want to look into:

All of these record to memory cards (except the DP-02 which has a big hard drive), all can mix, edit, have multiple built in effects available, and have USB ports so can be used as an interface too, or just used by themselves.

I've listed some of the things that set them apart from each other for your quick referance if you want to look into any of these:


Tascam DP02 (2 chan/8 track, hard drive, CD burner) $400 ish
I own and use this one

Zoom R16 (8 chan/16 track , also for DAW or standalone recorder, comes with Cubase LE software) $400 ish

Boss Micro BR (little hand held thingy. built in mic. 1 stereo input/4 tracks, non-programmable drum machine, battery option) $200 ish
I also own and use this one

Tascam DP 800 (2 chan/8 track, 2 built in mics, EQ and reverb but no other effects, battery option) $300 ish

Tascam DP 400 (2 chan/4 track, 2 built in mics, no EQ or reverb, battery option) $200 ish

Boss BR 800 (8 tracks, 4 inputs simultaneous, built in mic, built in non-programmable drum machine, comes with Cakewalk SONAR 8.5LE software that can edit the drum machine patterns, battery option) $450 ish


I tried all of these and downloaded PDFs of their manuals before I bought my current digital recorder. I went with the Tascam DP02 because I already use my Tascam 464 for multi channel sub mixing so I didnt need the inputs, and I like the huge hard drive. It was a close tossup between that or the Boss BR 800 for its built in drum machine (cute but not necessary) and 4 channel input. The Zoom had too cumbersome a menu and display for my liking. Of the cheaper ones, the Tascam DP400 didn't have any effects (despite being so cheap and having mics, I couldn't deal with just level/pan). The Tascam DP800 wasn't bad and I was impressed by the built in mics, but it only had limited effects and for a bit more I could get a lot more with its big brother. That Micro BR is in the list because it is really a cool little tool, it's cheap, and it can serve as an interface. I wouldn't consider it seriously as a studio centerpiece though. It has the effects power and editing features, it just is so limited an interface since its palm sized (it can be loaded with music and used as an MP3 player though if you are into that kind of thing.)

Hope any of this helps.
Cheers and happy hunting.

P.S.
Looking around on ebay can find you one even cheaper as they are all pretty common recorders, (or one of the previous models dirt cheap, like a DP01FX/CD instead of the DP02 (a minor difference)... I got mine for about $150 bucks what I would have paid $400 for the new model)
 
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