Wow, talk about memories !!!

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Now here's something I haven't seen in years:

Old amp on ebay

It had a lot of features that were very new and unique at the time.
 
how does it sound? it looks like an early version of an amp modeller.
 
how does it sound? it looks like an early version of an amp modeller.
Yup, I did that in 1974. It was an amazing sounding amplifier. All tube, tape delay, 30/300 Watts, amp modeling, and a ton of other innovative features (at the time). Jeff Baxter was not consulting on it, but he was an investor. Even today, I suspect it would blow away most of the world class tube amps now available.
 
Yup, I did that in 1974. It was an amazing sounding amplifier. All tube, tape delay, 30/300 Watts, amp modeling, and a ton of other innovative features (at the time). Jeff Baxter was not consulting on it, but he was an investor. Even today, I suspect it would blow away most of the world class tube amps now available.

wow. very nice.
 
It was great enough to require an all-caps description!

Srsly though, that's pretty amazing that you'd done something like that 30 years before it was en vogue.
 
Yeah, but I've always seemed to be slightly "ahead of the pack" when it came to designing stuff.
 
So Harvey...If I buy the fuckin' thing are you gonna do tech support?


lou
 
Yeah, but you might not get it back till I'm dead.
 
Yeah, but you might not get it back till I'm dead.
Oh what a fuckin' deal. :rolleyes: :D

Seriously now. Would this be a good buy from a sound standpoint or a fuckin' nightmare if you actually wanted to use it? Onboard tape delay? At this late date is this something more for the collector than the musician?


lou
 
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Oh what a fuckin' deal. :rolleyes: :D

Seriously now. Would this be a good buy from a sound standpoint or a fuckin' nightmare if you actually wanted to use it? Onboard tape delay? At this late date is this something more for the collector than the musician?

lou
It's far from a nightmare to keep it running - and yes, it's a great sounding amp. I can't begin to list all the innovations it had, but it was a real workhorse that'll probably keep working for another 36 years.

Jeff Baxter has two of them and I'm trying to talk him out of one set.
 
Shipping weight 183 lbs!!! Oh - My - God!

What's with the 2 ohm output? Does this thing need multiple cabs or can you just plug a 4 or 2 x12, 8 ohm cab in and go? The eight track tape delay looks wild as well. It looks like the seller has a couple blank tapes but you gotta wonder if they're the last ones on earth.


lou
 
Onboard tape delay? At this late date is this something more for the collector than the musician?

i know several guitar snobs that will only use an echoplex for their delay. given, it's not built in to a head, but still. :D
 
Shipping weight 183 lbs!!! Oh - My - God!

What's with the 2 ohm output? Does this thing need multiple cabs or can you just plug a 4 or 2 x12, 8 ohm cab in and go? The eight track tape delay looks wild as well. It looks like the seller has a couple blank tapes but you gotta wonder if they're the last ones on earth.

lou
It used standard 8 track tapes, but run at high speed for higher fidelity. The two ohm idea was a way to get around the rise in impedance near speaker resonance, which reduces the power output considerably. The design used two cabinets; one open back, with four 8-Ohm 12's, wired in parallel to produce a nominal 2 Ohm load (in an open back cabinet).

The second cabinet was a ported box, with two 8-Ohm 12's, wired for 4 Ohms. When run in parallel, the two boxes produced a constant 1.8 Ohm load to the amp, regardless of frequency. As one box impedance started to rise, it was shunted by the other box to hold the impedance steady.

It was actually a rather ingenious solution at the time.
 
I was actually thinking of putting a bid in on this amp but it seems a bit too risky. Tempting for sure but I'm afraid I'd eventually wind up with a non-working, non-repairable dinosaur. The ad says it's been repaired once by someone - not encouraging.

Harvey - have you clued Skunk in yet?


lou
 
It used standard 8 track tapes, but run at high speed for higher fidelity. The two ohm idea was a way to get around the rise in impedance near speaker resonance, which reduces the power output considerably. The design used two cabinets; one open back, with four 8-Ohm 12's, wired in parallel to produce a nominal 2 Ohm load (in an open back cabinet).

The second cabinet was a ported box, with two 8-Ohm 12's, wired for 4 Ohms. When run in parallel, the two boxes produced a constant 1.8 Ohm load to the amp, regardless of frequency. As one box impedance started to rise, it was shunted by the other box to hold the impedance steady.

It was actually a rather ingenious solution at the time.
Actually, that's quite an ingenious solution irrespective of the time.
 
Coooool !.! My only question to you Harvey is: Do you own one?
Sadly, no, I don't own one. Actually, I have very few of the products I've designed over the years. And of those, I've had to buy most of them off ebay, Craigslist, or pawnshop finds.

Jeff "Skunk" Baxter has promised to give me one of his Delta amps, but it's been a few years now and I'm still waiting.
 
I was actually thinking of putting a bid in on this amp but it seems a bit too risky. Tempting for sure but I'm afraid I'd eventually wind up with a non-working, non-repairable dinosaur. The ad says it's been repaired once by someone - not encouraging.

Harvey - have you clued Skunk in yet?
At the time, the 33JV6's were very common, cheap, and used in most tube TV sets as Horizontal Output amplifiers. Other than finding those, and 8-track tape cartridges, there is very damn little that can go wrong with that amp. I think it wasn't repaired, but rather went through a normal health check cycle, i.e., pot cleaning, checking caps, etc.

If I wasn't so broke, and it wasn't so expensive, yeah, I'd be bidding on it.

I'll hit Skunk up again in January during the NAMM show. By that time, I should have some royalties coming in from the new Trident monitors.
 
I am exposing my ignorance here, Harvey but this thing has got me intrigued. I hope you don't mind all the questions.

Can you plug any impedance cabs into the outputs safely? Would a single or dual 8 ohm cabs just knock the wattage down?

Could you use any blank 8-track tape in the delay or are those special for the purpose? *edit (I see you said standard 8 track tapes. Would they even have to be blank? Hell you could degauss Cher's Greatest Hits, yeah?)

Thanks for the info. It's a real cool piece for sure. Was it the price that kept them from gaining a foothold in the market?


lou
 
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