You guys are gonna love this...

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NYMorningstar said:
When I go for a ride in my Volkswagon Bug I'm not there trying to beat all those high performance souped up cars but when they challenge me I have what I need.

I kick their ass cause I've installed
EZ's turbo Mixamizer :laughings::laughings::laughings:

Last week I couldn't even spell MICKANIC now I are one :D
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is that an irish car doctor?? <groan>
 
That's quite enough of this vapid sophomoric humor!:mad::mad::mad::eek:

That's not directed at you, miroslav or Glen.

I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.:)
 
miroslav said:
I totally get what you are saying, and DO know that feeling of just wanting some sort of "foundation" from which to move forward.

The problem (though some will refuse to see it)...is that 1.) You are right, some folks will just never want to move forward and 2.) the part about what a "standard sound would be" gets kinda debatable...does it not? :)

That's that heart of the problem with auto-mix and auto-EQ plugs. Some programmer wrote an algorithm on what HE felt the "standard" should be...and a lot of newbies WILL just accept that as THE correct "sound" without feeling the need to find out on their own.
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And yet, by the same token, virtually every 'critique' of a mix I've seen that involves a lead instrument playing while the lead vocal is happening offers up the same advice - "it's too busy, lose the guitar/flute/sax/whatever". My point is that many of us play this dual role of on the one hand saying that the punter needs to to discover all these things on their own and not tow some standard line, but at the same time, much of the advice given shows that actually, most of us are pretty 'standardized' in our own way. And if someone does argue against the wisdom of the experienced or the pro, they're kind of cast as newbie know it alls that don't want to learn. Taking a detatched view, I can see how it looks confusing.
As for those newbies accepting that such and such a setting is the royal standard, never to be deviated from, is anyone really going to be there forever ? And even if they were, so what. If someone is happy with what they've finished with, even if I think it sounds horrific, I don't have to listen to it !
Our real problem is that there are so many cross consensus' but I doubt there are any that everyone is part of. It's not even a given that everyone is passionate about music !
 
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miroslav said:
...but WHY oh WHY should/would a preset know how your mix should sound if you don't….???

There is NO DECISION MAKING...the product HAS NO CLUE what your mix sounds like.
GET IT?
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I remember George Martin a few years back being rather critical of effects and in comparing the 90s or whenever it was to the 60s, he made the observation that what was commonplace in the 90s hadn't existed in the 60s. His end quote was one I've never forgotten - "In the 60s, we created sounds. Nowadays, people select sounds". Now, I love old George but even then, as an inexperienced but experimental pup, I had to take issue with that. You don't just plug an electric mandolin into a chorus pedal or stompbox and hey presto ! You've got a fantastic sound that required nothing of you. Not at all, at all, at all. You don't just shove your drum tracks through a compressor and whammo ! Instant karma, perfect levels. Nay, Amos. It don't work like that. Even with this thing, you still have work to do. Let's face it, even mix automation isn't simply a case of "put your faders up, the DAW will sort it all out and automatically work it out and you can have a mix done in four and a half minutes." No matter what comes out on the market, there will be work for the recorder/mixer/player to do. Mais c'est la vie, mes amis. And in terms of mixing, the mixer still does the mix.


miroslav said:
Oh...and the reason this product exists is because someone saw that there was a growing crop of "recordists" that either don't have the time, desire or knowledge to mix (or don't want to take the time getting it)...
...so like any "too good to be true" product, they filled a need,
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That's capitalism ! :p
 
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loveofjazz said:
You, sir, are a wishy washy purveyor of wivvle wavvle.

Uhh...what exactly is wivvle wavvle?
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Wivvle wavvle is that vague, non descript politically correct jargon that uses many words......but doesn't really tell you anything, or certainly nothing that can be understood in one pass, anyway ! The more down to earth would just call it "bullshit". But my head is in the mud, while my feet are in the clouds......
 
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OH.
Kind of thought that might be it.

No matter. I used my own logic and hung myself up, I think. :p :laughings:

Wivvle wavvle...it just sounds all kind of weird.
 
i would have spelled it wiffle waffle....but what would i know :)
 
grimtraveller said:
And yet, by the same token, virtually every 'critique' of a mix I've seen that involves a lead instrument playing while the lead vocal is happening offers up the same advice - "it's too busy, lose the guitar/flute/sax/whatever"....


....much of the advice given shows that actually, most of us are pretty 'standardized' in our own way.
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Yes, but the way one un-clutters a mix is a creative decision within the context of that mix. One listens to the mix and then makes adjustments based on that and where they want the mix to go. There isn't just one way to un-clutter a given mix. :)
A plug-in/preset can't hear the mix, is not making an artistic decision within the context of that mix and has no clue where the mix needs to go.
Sure, the preset will give you a "result", and it may even sound OK, but the danger lies in the "crutch" aspect of using the preset approach, especially with newbies who are MILES away from really knowing what they are doing...and so that preset shortcut becomes their "experience". They often accept that stuff as the final step of their own decision making process and do not learn or discover anything more.


grimtraveller said:
His end quote was one I've never forgotten - "In the 60s, we created sounds. Nowadays, people select sounds".
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I think George was talking more about selecting presets as in synth sounds, etc or pre-constructed FX....where back in the day, they conjured all that stuff from scratch....and I have to say, a lot of folks DO just use presets, as-is.
Sure...many of them actually sound pretty good, but then what happened to imagination and creativity? The guy who created the presets had them...the guy who just calls them is merely ordering from a menu...he's not doing any of the cooking. ;)
That may be OK for some people....but yeah, like you pointed out, there are many who prefer to create stuff from scratch, and yes, it's hard and time consuming to do that, and THERE is where this "That Was Easy” button mentality is anchored. Lots of folks are simply looking for quick-n-easy and don't desire to invest a lot of time and energy into it...yet they still want a polished product.

Paint by the numbers or start with a blank canvas. I guess everyone needs to pick their preferred method.
 
I just happened to pick up the Feb issue of Pro Audio Review tonight, and the opening sentence of one article was:

"One factoid regarding technology that I witness time and time again is some will let technology drive vision."

The author wasn't talking specifically about auto-mixing or auto-EQing...but the comment certainly hits at the heart of the discussions in this thread and many similar threads of late.
 
miroslav said:
I just happened to pick up the Feb issue of Pro Audio Review tonight, and the opening sentence of one article was:

"One factoid regarding technology that I witness time and time again is some will let technology drive vision."
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I think that since the advent of recording and reproduction of what is recorded, the relationship between the two has been symbiotic. Granted, it hasn't always been so clear cut and at different times, it's been more slanted one way than another. But the history of recording has had as one of it's fascinating side threads this relationship. Writers, producers and artists for example conceived their creations in totally different ways once multitracking became available. And mellotrons. And electric pianos. And synths. And electric basses and guitars, DAWs etc. I'm aware that this is only one small part of a larger equation that's not so easy to measure.
I would almost bet my life that none of the contributors to this thread will be abandoning their mixing and pursuit of progress (even those that see it as a necessary evil) in favour of EZmix. And I reckon most newcomers won't either. And even those that swear by it will probably eventually move on to the tried and tested way because despite our oft disagreeability, it's in the nature of the beast.

kcearl said:
i would have spelled it wiffle waffle....but what would i know :)
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Well yeah, but then, you'd miss out on those alluringly penetrating lip vibrations ! :D And also, 'waffle' is already a word. Mind you, in Britain, many of our politicians are talented enough to waffle with frequent bouts of wivvle wavvle !! :cool:
 
i just caught up with them after months of no TV....browns "bigotgate" has had me in stitches....how bad do you have to be to make the tories look like the best option...jeebus <facepalm> lol
 
well I bought it as my monthly treat


I tried it on bass, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, piano, and a drum buss and the presets (which are all it really is) sounded pretty good on these...especially the drums...

It didnt sound like a toy...well not to me and there is some adjusting, though its mainly gain or wetness levels..

It doesnt have something for every instrument...but I dont doubt you could use it on a full mix if it was decently tracked..

I enjoy mixing now and i have most things covered with the plug ins i have but i wil use this...one of the bass presets really brought my shortscale to life


its no worse than having some favourite presets and I already have a few of them...though I dont think we'll be seeing it in any studios soon :)
 
Thanks KC.

158 posts about a piece of software. Only 2 posters had hands-on experience with the thing. This thread would have been better being 2 posts long.
 
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