What do you use for a click track?

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OMFG!!! :eek:
You got to be kidding?!

BPM = Beats Per Minute
You look at a clock with a second hand...and then just tap and count for one minute!!!
Like how hard and how long is that going to be?
Oh wait...I know...ONE MINUTE! :D
Then when you have your BMP...just type it into your software app. :rolleyes:

Or if you're really that F'ing lazy that you can't spare a whole minute you could count for 6 seconds and multiply the result by 10.
 
Or if you're really that F'ing lazy that you can't spare a whole minute you could count for 6 seconds and multiply the result by 10.

It's not about that douchey McDoucherson. I was looking for efficient solutions with different options. You know? Like, hey what's everybody else using, maybe there's a better option for me. But oh no, we always have to have these snarky comments.
 
It's not about that douchey McDoucherson.

"Douchey McDoucherson"??? Awesome!!!

But . . . I belong to the Mattr school on this one:

God, its only a tempo marking, not some kind of unsolvable imaginary number. You're putting too much thought into this. You have far more flexibility by using the click in your DAW as you can have the confidence that it will be properly sync'd, will follow the tempo map and any time signature changes, etc. Tap out tempo on your leg and hold the beat in your head... take a guess at the approximate tempo (which you can usually get quite close with anyway) and listen back to the click... if its too slow you estimate by how much and put it up, if its too fast you put it down... repeat until correct tempo found. Hardly rocket science! Should take no longer than a minute which is, in the scheme of how long you are likely to spend on the recording, nothing.
 
I'm going to be the grumpy one for once that speaks my mind...

God, its only a tempo marking, not some kind of unsolvable imaginary number. You're putting too much thought into this. You have far more flexibility by using the click in your DAW as you can have the confidence that it will be properly sync'd, will follow the tempo map and any time signature changes, etc. Tap out tempo on your leg and hold the beat in your head... take a guess at the approximate tempo (which you can usually get quite close with anyway) and listen back to the click... if its too slow you estimate by how much and put it up, if its too fast you put it down... repeat until correct tempo found. Hardly rocket science! Should take no longer than a minute which is, in the scheme of how long you are likely to spend on the recording, nothing.

End of grumpy post :)

^^^^^^^^^^^ This^^^^^^^^^^^

Just guess a goddamn number. If it's too fast, slow it down. Rinse, repeat, and season to taste. I'm a complete technophobe and I managed to make Incanus figure it out. :D
 
Personally, I use an actual metronome. It is an elongated sort of pyramid shaped box made of wood. It has a metal rod that rocks back and forth creating a click sound with each pass. There is a metal weight that you can slide up and down the metal rod. Slide it up and the tempo slows, down and the tempo increases. You can set it to the appropriate tempo in mere seconds. It has tempo markings on it like "largo", "adagio" and "presto". I have no idea what that translates to in BPMs nor do I need to know. Of course, it doesn't handle tempo changes too well :o :).

How do I keep it from being picked up by the mic though? :laughings:
 
For cryin out loud, I know how to use the damn thing. Go to bed. Damn piranhas. :spank:
 
Perhaps I don't feel like sitting around counting to 200. I used to have BOSS recorder with a great little built in click track that you could just tap.

Well...you still have to sit there and tap, don't you? :)

If you want to be accurate...you need to tap or count for the full minute....(it takes the same amount of time ;)). Sure...you can cheat and just tap 5 beats and let the device or app do the math for you, but, you are most likely going to be off by a beat or two across the full minute....which is why counting (or taping) for one minute is the most accurate IMO.
I’ll even do it twice just to make sure I'm not off by one beat because even one BPM up/down can sometimes change the feel.
 
Personally, I use an actual metronome.
Far too inaccurate for me, I'm afraid but nice to see people still using them.
They are right up there with smoking pipes, using fountain pens and listening to 78s.
All seriously out of date but absolutely inspiring to the artistic mind.
Good on you!
 
Fountain pens are in amongst the hip youth of now....:D
 
Well...you still have to sit there and tap, don't you? :)

If you want to be accurate...you need to tap or count for the full minute....(it takes the same amount of time ;)). Sure...you can cheat and just tap 5 beats and let the device or app do the math for you, but, you are most likely going to be off by a beat or two across the full minute....which is why counting (or taping) for one minute is the most accurate IMO.
I’ll even do it twice just to make sure I'm not off by one beat because even one BPM up/down can sometimes change the feel.

I hear you. I probably have run into that situation before to be honest.
One thing that's nice about the tap metronomes though is that you can quickly try different tempos. Yes you can do that by changing the BPM in the box, but it's nice to be able to simply "feel" the rhythm and then tap it in and try it. It's just nice to have that option.
 
I think all undrgrnd has been saying is that "there are so many different products that do particular things and I'm used to this method and want to carry on that way as it suits me. Does anyone know how I can carry on this way ?".
I don't think it's about being lazy or awkward.
That said, a little laziness has it's moments.
 
If you want to be accurate...you need to tap or count for the full minute....(it takes the same amount of time ;)). Sure...you can cheat and just tap 5 beats and let the device or app do the math for you, but, you are most likely going to be off by a beat or two across the full minute....which is why counting (or taping) for one minute is the most accurate IMO.
I’ll even do it twice just to make sure I'm not off by one beat because even one BPM up/down can sometimes change the feel.
This would be a very ineffective way to determine a click tempo. First, it'd be inaccurate. Even a person with excellent rhythmic sense would usually vary the tempo slightly during a minute's time, making a less accurate result than a single measure's tapping. Second, no one in their right mind would spend a whole minute counting the number of beats unless they were conducting a scientific test, especially a creative person, no offense.

The OP's preference for tapping a few beats to determine click tempo is perfectly reasonable.
 
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The OP's preference for tapping a few beats to determine click tempo is perfectly reasonable.

The OP's lack of any interest in understanding the concept of beats per minute and how that relates to his music, however, is not.

I'm in the purist camp here. I take a guess at about what the tempo seems to be. If the resulting click is too fast, I adjust it down. Too slow, adjust it up. When it's just right, I hit the little red button and go. ;)
 
The OP's lack of any interest in understanding the concept of beats per minute and how that relates to his music, however, is not.

I'm in the purist camp here. I take a guess at about what the tempo seems to be. If the resulting click is too fast, I adjust it down. Too slow, adjust it up. When it's just right, I hit the little red button and go. ;)

Well, you certainly are quick to project your own interpretations of my thinking. I don't even NEED a click to record. Sure I do use one occasionally, especially when I am doing the parts all on my own.

I happen to not like using the count and guess method. Half the time it ends up too slow or too fast because you are concentrating on counting. So you sit there and adjust until it's right. Then you go and start playing to the click only to find it's still not right. Yay that's fun!

I didn't realize that people like you would be offended by others preferring to use a tap metronome or a dial.

Congratulations on being both unhelpful and a dick.
 
Well, you certainly are quick to project your own interpretations of my thinking. I don't even NEED a click to record. Sure I do use one occasionally, especially when I am doing the parts all on my own.

I happen to not like using the count and guess method. Half the time it ends up too slow or too fast because you are concentrating on counting. So you sit there and adjust until it's right. Then you go and start playing to the click only to find it's still not right. Yay that's fun!

I didn't realize that people like you would be offended by others preferring to use a tap metronome or a dial.

Congratulations on being both unhelpful and a dick.

Nobody is being a dick. Try to have a little levity here, man. It's too boring without it.
 
The OP's lack of any interest in understanding the concept of beats per minute and how that relates to his music, however, is not.
Understanding BPM, and how one chooses to set up a click track when recording are different things. NO doubt the OP understand BPM perfectly well. Creative people can have very specific things that add to or repress their creativity. Creative people are being smart when they recognize that and find ways of working that emphasize their strengths and minimize frustration. Additionally, a small percentage of people feel awkward with anything number-related beyond a very basic level. There are many types of intelligence, and musical aptitudes can be very specific in relation to that.
 
Nobody is being a dick. Try to have a little levity here, man. It's too boring without it.

I'm all for jokes and cheap shots, my friends and I can be pretty sharp. But when people I barely know keep it up for a long enough time and start questioning my integrity. I tend to get irritable. I think that's a reasonable reaction.
 
If it's just me, then I will just approximate and type the value in Sonar until it's right.

Last week, I had a guitar player come in who was only used to recording with his whole band and never worked with a click, but he hired me to record his new CD AND provide the drum tracks...

This pretty much meant I get to learn the songs after he lays down the guitar parts, so it was crucial that he recorded to a click.

The first session, we recorded rhythm guitar for 5 of his songs... To use trial/error finding the bpm by guessing and typing in values while he was playing would have taken up too much time (not to mention awkward for him). So I brought out my trusty Tama Rhythm-Watch 105 and tapped along while he played...
Voila! Took maybe 3 or 4 measures for each song and we were locked in with the tempo he plays to.

I recorded the Rhythm Watch onto it's own track and I had a click and rhythm guitars to work with when he left. :)

So, best answer is, there is no 'best' answer... Use what works without wasting the client's time.

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This pretty much meant I get to learn the songs after he lays down the guitar parts, so it was crucial that he recorded to a click.

do both of you a favor and have him lay down scratch guitar tracks. it's impossible to lock in real good with a guitar player.
 
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