Sonar 3 PE No Midi Drums?

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Hey guys, I have a line6 guitarport running to Sonar 3 P.E. I have recorded and am able to hear all audio tracks just fine. I am trying to program drums, and have succeded in getting them on there, except that i can't hear them on playback at all. audio playback is fine on 4 tracks, no midi drums. i have the midi inputs/outputs selected, and it plays as though it were fine, and i still can't hear the drums.

when i initially programmed them i had my speakers plugged in, instead of running my headphones in through the guitarport. at that time i could hear them. when i restarted and plugged in the guitarport and headphones through it, and could hear everything but the drums. i reassigned the midi inputs/outputs for "guitarport OMNI"

the audio which plays fine is running through "guitarport stereo." which is not a choice for outputs in midi.

i got a drum program and was able to loop some beats that way, and hear them through the headphones, when i exported them and imported them into sonar, nothing.


if anybody has any suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated. thanks.
 
OK, The midi track you have still needs an audio output to hear anything. Midi is just data no sound. So for the midi track, you need the input set to "none". You are not inputing midi, its's already there on the track. For the midi output, you need to tell it which synth to use. I assume you are using a drumming soft synth of some sort. Now, there should be an audio track that has an input from the soft synth, and the output is your guitarport stereo.

Hope this makes sense. It would be easier if I knew what synth you are using to play the drums on.
 
thanks for the reply, I did as you suggested and changed the input to none which shows up in the track as "Omni"
I changed the output settings as follows

Output: 1-2 Guitarport
Channel: 1: Yahama XG Drum Kits
Bank: 16128-XG SFX Kits
Patch: 1 SFX 1

Sadly, i'm still not hearing anything.
I am using the piano roll in sonar to program drums beat by beat. All the soft synths i am trying to use were a part of the sonar program. Thanks alot for all your help. I really appreciate it.
 
Getting there. OK, you have the midi track (which you are seeing as the piano roll view). That track just has data. You need this track to play on a soft synth or drum module that can actually produce audible drum sounds that you can record as audio. So, the output of the midi track shouldn't be the guitarport. It should be whatever the drum program/soft synth your drums come from. I'm not sure what it is with Sonar 3, later versions had session drummer. Anyway, the output of the midi track points to the drum program, and the output of the drum program goes to the guitarport.

Think of it this way, midi track out to drum program in, drum program out to guitarport.
 
what do you have connected to the midi out of the guitarport?
 
Thanks!

Thanks Washburn, that seems to have done the trick and now i can hear it. the setup looks like this.

Input: Omni
Output: Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth
Channel: 1: Yamaha XG Drumkits
Bank: 16128-XG SFX Kits
Patch: 1 SFX 1

For some reason though, i can only hear a standard piano sound. I didn't have that issue before.
Thanks alot, you've been a great help and made things much clearer for me in laymans terms. I'll keep trying but all of the soft synth settings seem to be set properly. if you have another suggestion that'd be great, i'm almost positive it's something relatively simple that i'm overlooking.
thanks agin, i appreciate it greatly.
 
Glad its working!
Next thing is to dump the Microsoft Wavetable. This is a basic syth for general midi sounds that follows GM1 standard. That's why you hear piano on channel 1, drums channel 10 etc.

You should invest in a decent drum soft synth. Have a look at the KVR website for some freebies, then you may want to look at something like EZ Drummer Lite or even the full version. I think it's around $99 but it will give you some real drum sounds.

Good luck and keep rocking!
 
new issues.

Thanks Washburn, i looked around as you suggested and decided to use betamonkey which uses .wav samples of real drum loops and i really like it.

however, the track i was working on with this midi is now complete but i am having trouble converting it to audio. I muted all the other tracks, except for the destination track for the audio (which is set to record.)

I tried to "bounce to clips" and then "bounce to tracks" but nothing happens and it says the track conatins no audio (obviously, because it's midi.) when i try to record it all i see is a red line with no audio.

the midi track is set up:

input: Omni
Output:1-Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth

the destination audio track is (currently) set up:

Input: Stereo Aux Realtek High Definition Audio
Output: None

I assume the midi tracks output should be the same as the audio tracks input however the only option i can use that way is

Midi-
Input: VSampler3 DXi2Synth 1

Which makes me hear no midi at all...

Audio-
Output: VSampler3 DXi2Synth 1

Which removes the record button on the audio track
so this isnt a viable option.

if anybody can help, id really appreciate it.
 
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AnarchistFor Pr said:
the midi track is set up:

input: Omni
Output:1-Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth

the destination audio track is (currently) set up:

Input: Stereo Aux Realtek High Definition Audio
Output: None

I assume the midi tracks output should be the same as the audio tracks input however the only option i can use that way is

Midi-
Input: VSampler3 DXi2Synth 1

Which makes me hear no midi at all...

Audio-
Output: VSampler3 DXi2Synth 1
Click to expand...

For your midi track, the input should be "none". The midi is already on the track. If you wanted to add to it, you would set the input to your keyboard, then you could record your playing as midi information.

The output of the midi track should be "VSampler3 DXi2Synth 1" This makes the vsampler play the midi information.

The audio input should be "VSampler3 DXi2Synth 1". This means the sound generated by the vsampler has an audio path.

The output of the audio track should be your guitarmidiport or wherever you have your speakers or headphones connected. The sound now has a place to go.

Took me a while to wrap my head around the midi stuff. Just remember the chain. Midi is just information. A synth uses that information to trigger. The triggers generate the sounds and then need to be output to hear them.
 
Thanks Washburn, however when i do this....

"The output of the midi track should be "VSampler3 DXi2Synth 1" This makes the vsampler play the midi information."



I can no longer hear the midi that was running through
Midi Output - "1-Microsfot GS WavetableSynth"


and when i do this....

"The audio input should be "VSampler3 DXi2Synth 1". This means the sound generated by the vsampler has an audio path."

the Record button on the track disappears and won't allow me to record at all...

i tried using "1-Microsoft GS WavetableSynth" in the same way as you described "VSampler3 DXi2Synth 1" but "wavetable" is not an option for input on the audio track.

thanks again, i appreciate it.
 
Sorry, I think I'm confusing you more than helping!

The microsoft wavetable is a built in midi player, part of windows. It does play midi tracks, but with poor sounds kind of like an old game console. Let's forget about that altogether. Disable it on your midi devices in Sonar 3.

I should have read your posts a little more closely. Sonar 3 had a sampler called VSampler 3. That's where I got confused. To play your midi track, we need a soft synth and I thin the VSampler 3 will work, but I have to do more reading about it.

What Sonar 3 did have is a soft synth called Edirol VSC General MIDI module. Lets use that to play back you midi track.

If you can start with a project that only contains your midi track, what you want to next is insert the soft synth called Edirol VSC. This will play your midi track and you can record it's output.

So back to what I had said.

Input of your midi track, none
Output of your midi track - Edirol VSC

Now, on the track that has the Edirol VSC that you inserted.

Input is Edirol VSC
Output is your guitarport.

You should now be able to arm the track with the Edirol VSC and record it.

Hope that works for you
 
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