one of the most important questions in music. no jokes

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RAMI said:
I just play. I think you're spending too much time analizing this. Just my opinion.
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I agree with this. I'm kind of of the opinion that being able to do something, or some experience of something comes first. Analyse it all later coz then there's some foundation to what you're saying.
 
grimtraveller said:
Try telling that to the zillions of people that improvise. Sometimes music is very exact and thought about. Sometimes it is not. And sometimes it's in between and sometimes it's neither. Entire songs have been written from an improvised section in a jam session that was anything but thought out. Still sounded great though.
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my dear,
and u r one of those zillions. thats why i created this thread. with big hope to help u and myself break through and out of those zillions somehow. help yourself. being one of the zillions makes u a blind individual. these zillions are so wrong and u dont imagine how wrong everything is what those zillions do in all aspects of the life. run from those zillions!

thanks and best wishes.
 
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hi guys,
i just watched a long cd mastering video lesson. german with english translation.
and the guy clearly pointed out:
u have to know EXACTLY what u are after in your sound and then go for it to achieve that vision with your well known tools. guessing will not help u to achieve it. it just doesnt work.

how was your new year parties? feel sober already?
 
Well, I read every single post before replying :p

Honestly, I can't really relate with guitar (since I can't play at all - oh wait - I can do a G chord). I sing bass, play bass, piano, and drums. But where I really notice what you're saying is with the drums.

When I'm soloing, stuff just comes straight from my subconscious somewhere and makes my hands do things - If I actually slow down or force my brain to think about what I'm doing, I can't even keep a 4/4.

For me, the only thing I can say is that I can visualize what I'm going to do a millisecond before I do it - kind of a "zone" or "tunnel vision". For years, I was frustrated that I couldn't physically play everything that my body wanted to play - that problem has become less and less severe over the years, but still shows up occasionally (I doubt that any human can play an instrument perfectly).

The ultimate battle, for me, is making sure that my chops are always prepared to be able to play whatever they're supposed to.

Composing is a whole different monster, because I can never seem to recreate the awesome arrangement and polyphony in my head onto paper.
 
marioantigod said:
hi guys,
i just watched a long cd mastering video lesson. german with english translation.
and the guy clearly pointed out:
u have to know EXACTLY what u are after in your sound ...
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Mmmmmm...I don't think it needs to be THAT precise...like why do so many "pros" still record a gazillion tracks of the same instrument only to then pick what they want later on during the mixing? ;)

IMO...you need to have an OVERALL idea of the sound you are after...
...but you must also YIELD TO THE SONG if it wants to go in a different direction.
I’ve had many a song that took on a life of its own about half-way through tracking…and I just went with it.
That last thing is to try and FORCE something a certain way.
 
marioantigod said:
hi guys,
i just watched a long cd mastering video lesson. german with english translation.
and the guy clearly pointed out:
u have to know EXACTLY what u are after in your sound and then go for it to achieve that vision with your well known tools. guessing will not help u to achieve it. it just doesnt work.

how was your new year parties? feel sober already?
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A video lesson on CD mastering and learning to improvise is NOT the same thing.

New Years Eve party wsa great. It took a few hours the next day to recover. I'm good now. :D
 
marioantigod said:
my dear,
and u r one of those zillions. thats why i created this thread. with big hope to help u and myself break through and out of those zillions somehow. help yourself. being one of the zillions makes u a blind individual. these zillions are so wrong and u dont imagine how wrong everything is what those zillions do in all aspects of the life. run from those zillions!
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Oi, watch it, Fred !:D

If I choose to improvise at times, why should I want to break out just because you think it's wrong ?
A blind individual ? My eyesight has gotten worse over the last year !:)
As for the guy that said;
u have to know EXACTLY what u are after in your sound and then go for it to achieve that vision with your well known tools. guessing will not help u to achieve it. it just doesnt work.
bear in mind he was talking about mastering, which is not what you're talking about. But if you apply it to the topic at hand, well, like Miroslav said, it doesn't have to be that precise. I'm inclined to agree that "guessing" isn't the way to go, but experimenting, for me, is. Sometimes I'll know precisely what I'm looking for, other times I won't. To give an example, I may have a definite idea of how I want a song to go but when I get down to playing it with people, they may take it in directions I hadn't envisaged. Now, it may not be what I want so it gets scrapped. On the other hand, it may open up into something that I love and will keep.
Personally, I'll use many different approaches. Sometimes what you seem to be suggesting will be one of those approaches. But it won't be the only one.
 
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bassdweller said:
For me, the only thing I can say is that I can visualize what I'm going to do a millisecond before I do it - kind of a "zone" or "tunnel vision". For years, I was frustrated that I couldn't physically play everything that my body wanted to play - that problem has become less and less severe over the years, but still shows up occasionally (I doubt that any human can play an instrument perfectly).
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exactly. 10 points.
that is what my thread is all about. head must want to play, not body. body will follow the head almost unconsciously. head first, and the rest will follow. our fuckin brains tend to follow the body. it is wrong. u have to know what u gonna play. even at the face of your death. this is the main job u have to do.

kids, make your head deliver ideas first, then sing them and u will be saved.

thanks
 
There is a point that a person gets to around all the practicing, listening, dreaming, caring, and reptitous use, of the physical part of playing an instrument that cannot be found in a book or a DVD. It simply comes. You either have the ability to reach this place or you do not. You can train yourself to become very facile and seemingly proficient at playing an instrument, but mechanics aside, maybe NEVER complete the connection to that other-worldly place where you become as much a part of the instrument as it becomes a part of you. It is the thing described as "Having IT."

This is the place of thinking without thinking. Of knowing without knowing. Of freedom.

The harder you strive to achieve this, the further from your grasp it will appear to be. Become mechanically proficient by practicing. Become mentally and emotionally free by not thinking about it.

And then if 'IT' is meant for you, Voila, one day you are there. If it is not, cest la vie....at least you can play for personal enjoyment and have a learned skill.
 
cavedog101 said:
where you become as much a part of the instrument as it becomes a part of you. It is the thing described as "Having IT."
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sounds good, but do u have it? or u read it in some book? or u r a poet?
if u have it, how u achieved that?
thanks
 
marioantigod said:
sounds good, but do u have it? or u read it in some book? or u r a poet?
if u have it, how u achieved that?
thanks
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I'm not sure you understand what Cavedog 101 is saying. I don't think anyone "knows" exactly how they got there. Life is just not that analytical. There's been alot of good and interesting stuff posted and for me, Rami summed it up best;

I just play. I think you're spending too much time analizing this. Just my opinion.
 
grimtraveller said:
I'm not sure you understand what Cavedog 101 is saying. I don't think anyone "knows" exactly how they got there. Life is just not that analytical. There's been alot of good and interesting stuff posted and for me, Rami summed it up best;

I just play. I think you're spending too much time analizing this. Just my opinion.
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well, dont judge Cavedog 101 untill u hear his opinion.

and Rami...well. im sure that Rami thinks what he gonna play before he plays it. he just says that there is no need to analyze it further.

my dear,
here is a big difference between "think and dont analyze" and "dont think and dont analyze". start thinking before u play. u dont have to analyze it after that.

thanks.
 
well, Cavedog 101
dont leave us in this mystery. talk about your experience, if u have it. dont take it to your grave.
thanks.
 
marioantigod said:
sounds good, but do u have it? or u read it in some book? or u r a poet?
if u have it, how u achieved that?
thanks
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We're almost outta time.:D Will you ever get this? Of course he has it and he explained explicitly how you get there. There is a beyond to your brain telling your body what to play. It's the spirit telling your body what to play. Can I prove that, no, ya gotta have faith.
 
NYMorningstar said:
Can I prove that, no, ya gotta have faith.
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well, i dont have any faith. im not a deluded person. i have only one "faith" that sooner or later we will go under the cold earth. and it does not require any proofs. everything else is a delusion. im sorry for u. and millions like u.
i recommend u to watch those documentaries from the people who are not deluded, ones in the millions(there was a time when these people were burned on fire, just to keep your faiths alive):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiuaGJ46zo

and here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs

spread it before it is not too late, my dear forumists.
thanks and best wishes.
 
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i did another thread on this. please visit. thanks
 
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