number three re-done

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Well Im looking forward to it keyboards or no keyboards..

added some verb and tried to inject a little pop in it...but I backed off on the volume..it was the only thing I could hear at times


i think Im finished tinkering for the time being but thanks to everyone for helping make my mediocre track actually turn into something decent..I like it a hell of a lot more than I did when I first posted..:)
 
kcearl said:
ooo thats put me over the edge ;)


thanks man...what did you think of the drums?

I really thought I nailed them..I even listened to gary numan, blancmange, human league and OMD before i recorded them..you know how much punishment that is??!!! lol
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Holy shit kc you really are a chutney ferret. :eek::D

Jokin dude, cool tune, sounds pretty good to me as is.:)
 
I did not read any of the previous comments before or after listening.
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Bit 70's - hey is that bad??

I liked the guitar "bubbling under".
 
I think the song is really cool and arranged well. The hook part is particularly cool.

The drums need to be louder, man. References the average person has for a song like this probably include Moby, Fatboy Slim or the Chemical brothers. Drums are even more prominent in this kind of music than they are in straight rock n' roll and drums are already very loud in straight rock.

The drums also sound too quantized. Particularly that snare roll in the hook. Yeah, you are going for that mechanical sound, but you're such a long way from the Grateful Dead. You could still humanize the drums a bit without sacrificing that mechanical sound. Finally, the drums should probably be driving the rest of the instruments in a song like this. You might think about moving the snare or the entire kit just slightly ahead of the beat, particularly in the hook part, maybe. That might do a lot to give it the energetic presence that you feel it is lacking. Just some stuff you could try.
 
BTM said:
I did not read any of the previous comments before or after listening.
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Bit 70's - hey is that bad??

I liked the guitar "bubbling under".
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80s dude, 80s :)

nave said:
I think the song is really cool and arranged well. The hook part is particularly cool.

The drums need to be louder, man. References the average person has for a song like this probably include Moby, Fatboy Slim or the Chemical brothers. Drums are even more prominent in this kind of music than they are in straight rock n' roll and drums are already very loud in straight rock.

The drums also sound too quantized. Particularly that snare roll in the hook. Yeah, you are going for that mechanical sound, but you're such a long way from the Grateful Dead. You could still humanize the drums a bit without sacrificing that mechanical sound. Finally, the drums should probably be driving the rest of the instruments in a song like this. You might think about moving the snare or the entire kit just slightly ahead of the beat, particularly in the hook part, maybe. That might do a lot to give it the energetic presence that you feel it is lacking. Just some stuff you could try.
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I may possibly fiddle with the drums more..they seem to be the biggest bone of contention


only thing is the artists you mention as a point of reference is maybe where I'm making a mistake...I'm aiming sound somewhere in between Joy Division to Numan to Einsturzende Neubauten..Im screwing up if people think you're meant to dance to this "moan to a drumbeat" lol

Ill try what you suggest by moving the kit slightly forward, drums are my weakest link as I have the least experience programming them...it does lack energy but I'm not sure I'm skilled enough to give it any


thanks for the comments and for listening guys :D
 
kcearl is a fag..I know
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So what!
All of Depeche mode are faggy, New Order's singer, Elton John, George (sweety) Michaels ...
It's high time people grew out of the conservative mentality and started living a little in a World which houses all kinds of people - not just a warmongering burger eating beer swilling bunch of brutes.
 
nzausrec said:
So what!
All of Depeche mode are faggy, New Order's singer, Elton John, George (sweety) Michaels ...
It's high time people grew out of the conservative mentality and started living a little in a World which houses all kinds of people - not just a warmongering burger eating beer swilling bunch of brutes.
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That wath thuper gay!
 
nzausrec said:
So what!
All of Depeche mode are faggy, New Order's singer, Elton John, George (sweety) Michaels ...
It's high time people grew out of the conservative mentality and started living a little in a World which houses all kinds of people - not just a warmongering burger eating beer swilling bunch of brutes.
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lol..Im a vegetarian too...

it was a wee joke for the cave dwellers :D
 
that rhymed..i feel a song moment coming on



shit that means more drums :( :p
 
so I listened to the three texans (what is it about you guys an drums ;) )

changed the sample for a more acoustic one and put a machine one lower in the mix, slapped tons of reverb on it, set the mic to pic up the rattle more, and made it punchier...and it sounds pretty good/nuts


will have to go back and sort the verb out a more are it should be as strong in parts..but its not on an envelope so maybe when I can listen to this again ill fix that

Nave...humanised it more then put a seperate beat on the right channel to keep the machine gun effect during the hook..moved them slightly forward...sounds better..but again needs some more tweaking some other day

thanks fellas :)
 
This sounds a ton better. That snare is far better for this song and I can hear the effect of the kit moved slightly ahead of the beat. The song isn't nearly as lethargic sounding.

Your mixing in this song is at its best when the tune is full with lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass, drums, synths and vocals all firing at once. Once this song is rolling along, it works. However, something about intro - maybe its sparseness relative to the the rest of the tune - is bothering me. I think this song should hit the listener with more energy right away and right now it's not doing that. If it were my song, I would try to find a way to get either synths, lead guitar or both right in from the start. This way the intro won't sound so disconnected from the rest of the tune and when the instruments reappear they won't be so unexpected.

And I still have trouble with that machine gun snare roll in the "chorus". Maybe it's just a matter of taste, but, to my ears, the roll still sounds awkward. If this were my song, I'd try it without that entirely and in its place use a double time highhat beat and snare hits on each beat (as opposed to 2 and 4 like in the verse). Maybe you could work in a truncated piece of the roll in between measures or something.

Just my opinion.

Overall, though, good job.
 
Keep the drums how they are, the super gated snare and all that jazz all sound exactly as nasty and 80's as they should be, except that I agree they could have a little more balls. I think if you made them quite a bit louder, and made some selective eq boosts and cuts, they could sound fine from those samples.

The whole song has a very definite style and the fake sounding drums are exactly what I want to hear in the song. It would sound very strange with all the grungy synths and dirty guitars and a clean acoustic drum kit pounding away, and it'd ruin the feel of the song.
 
nave said:
This sounds a ton better. That snare is far better for this song and I can hear the effect of the kit moved slightly ahead of the beat. The song isn't nearly as lethargic sounding.

Your mixing in this song is at its best when the tune is full with lead guitar, rhythm guitar, bass, drums, synths and vocals all firing at once. Once this song is rolling along, it works. However, something about intro - maybe its sparseness relative to the the rest of the tune - is bothering me. I think this song should hit the listener with more energy right away and right now it's not doing that. If it were my song, I would try to find a way to get either synths, lead guitar or both right in from the start. This way the intro won't sound so disconnected from the rest of the tune and when the instruments reappear they won't be so unexpected.

And I still have trouble with that machine gun snare roll in the "chorus". Maybe it's just a matter of taste, but, to my ears, the roll still sounds awkward. If this were my song, I'd try it without that entirely and in its place use a double time highhat beat and snare hits on each beat (as opposed to 2 and 4 like in the verse). Maybe you could work in a truncated piece of the roll in between measures or something.

Just my opinion.

Overall, though, good job.
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thanks Nave..yeah my first version had pretty much everything kicking off and the general opinion was that its should be sparser..I kind of agree..though you were spot on with the drums so I might try something else, or maybe just have the JV coming in sooner

Steve-0 said:
Keep the drums how they are, the super gated snare and all that jazz all sound exactly as nasty and 80's as they should be, except that I agree they could have a little more balls. I think if you made them quite a bit louder, and made some selective eq boosts and cuts, they could sound fine from those samples.

The whole song has a very definite style and the fake sounding drums are exactly what I want to hear in the song. It would sound very strange with all the grungy synths and dirty guitars and a clean acoustic drum kit pounding away, and it'd ruin the feel of the song.
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I will work on the drums..this was just a quickly to see if the guys were right...as per they were

and coming from some on that records/mixes as well as you do Ill duly take note and have a fiddle later in the week

your right about an acoustic kit..I tried one and it just sounded like it was from a different track let alone era

thanks for listening Steve
 
beefed up the drums..dropped the machine gun out of the right hand (still there though..i like it ;) ) and brought up the synth to an audible level in the 2nd verse..

heck do I actually do any of my own work...you guys are like a master class lol :)


next song no problem..no drums :D
 
kcearl said:
and coming from some on that records/mixes as well as you do Ill duly take note and have a fiddle later in the week

your right about an acoustic kit..I tried one and it just sounded like it was from a different track let alone era

thanks for listening Steve
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I'm glad you like the mixes, thank you.

Edit: P.S. I think the drums now sound exactly like I want them to. I hope you like them too, especially considering it's your song, not mine, haha. As an experiment (if it were my song) I might try some reverb or a short, fairly loud delay on the vocals that fades out very quickly after the first 'bounce', and see if it sounds like the echo that can be heard when someone is shouting into a megaphone (sort of a protest vibe). It might work, or it might fail miserably and ruin everything. The choice is yours.

As it is I really like the song.
 
I remember listening to the song before but don't remember specifics. This is the perfect sound for this song. Good stuff. BTW who is kcearl? Is it a cave thing or something real? I don't go to the cave often enough to be in the know of this stuff.
 
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