Just recently got a 4 track.

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I have no idea what i'm honestly doing with a 4 track. I'm not new to the recording game, but i wanted to try something new since i'm used to doing things in cool edit pro or adobe audition. I bought an old Fostex380s and am trying to get my hands on a shure sm58 and a boss dr-5 to make an old school underground feeling hip hop type record.

I guess my point would be. Did i make a good purchase with the 380s?
I'm aware i'll probably have to do some maintenance to the heads of the machine, where can i find a tutorial on that?

Sorry if this stuff has been asked before, but i'm new to analog recording in general. Hope to learn alot from here.
 
I have no idea what i'm honestly doing with a 4 track. I'm not new to the recording game, but i wanted to try something new since i'm used to doing things in cool edit pro or adobe audition. I bought an old Fostex380s and am trying to get my hands on a shure sm58 and a boss dr-5 to make an old school underground feeling hip hop type record.

I guess my point would be. Did i make a good purchase with the 380s?
I'm aware i'll probably have to do some maintenance to the heads of the machine, where can i find a tutorial on that?

Sorry if this stuff has been asked before, but i'm new to analog recording in general. Hope to learn alot from here.

A good place to start is the user's manual. If you didn't get one with the purchase, you can download it from Fostex here:

http://www.fostexusa.com/index.php?file=support/documents

It says model 380, but it is the 380s manual.

Looks like a nice machine. I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun with it. I have a Tascam 38 reel to reel and a computer DAW with Mackie Tracktion, but I still use my 4-track (Tascam 414) all the time, and I love it. There's just something about the 4-track cassette medium that's really fun to work with. And they're capable of much better sound quality than they're given credit for!

My wife and I's cover of "Eyes on Fire" was recorded on my 414 if you'd like to check it out.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=328768&songID=7774583

Good luck!
 
You just renewed my faith in my purchase with that recording.

I listened to it and i was impressed with the sound that came from the 4 track.

Eventually i would like to upgrade my setup to involve a multi-track reel to reel, but i figured you gotta crawl before you can run. As it is, i use pro tools ran through an original Mbox. Other than using the setup to record an old school record, i was hoping i could capture some of the good ol' analog warmth on certain vocals and instruments. Thank you very much for your response, it's been quite helpful.
 
...beagle...

That sounded lushiously incredible. So open and clear and warm. Plkease, if willing/able can you post up as much detail as you can recall about the recording process from mics and instrument(s) to the mastering process? The performance is so organic and melancholy as well. Nice, nice job. Such a great blend between the voices, guitar and the recording medium.
 
...beagle...

That sounded lushiously incredible. So open and clear and warm. Plkease, if willing/able can you post up as much detail as you can recall about the recording process from mics and instrument(s) to the mastering process? The performance is so organic and melancholy as well. Nice, nice job. Such a great blend between the voices, guitar and the recording medium.

Sure, no problem. Thanks for the kind words. This was a recording by my wife and I; we have an acoustic duo called the Housecats.

I had just recently gotten a Tascam 414 after having gone years without a cassette 4-track. I just missed it I guess. Once I got it, I told Alli (my wife), "Hey, we can record our Housecats stuff on here." She said, "On that old thing? No way, it'll sound terrible!" I told her she was wrong, and that they had the ability to sound pretty darn good when paired with decent gear and decent musicianship/engineering skills.

So this recording started out as just a demonstration of the possible recording quality.

Recorded in my basement studio. It's a pretty decent size room (app. 26x16) with concrete floor, and it's been treated with absorptive panels and bass traps that I built with either Owens 703 or mineral wool. It's set up kind of like the "dead end/live end" situation, with the mixing desk in the dead end.

The signal chain was the same for every track recorded:

one Octava MC-012 (small diaphragham condenser)
---> M-audio DMP3 mic pre
---> old DOD rackmount R-825 compressor (actually a pretty decent compressor, back when DOD made decent stuff)
---> Tascam 414

Acoustic: Alli's Martin - It's a DXM I think? It's the low end Martin with no binding or inlays or anything, but I think it's still a nice-sounding guitar

Reverb: Alesis Nanoverb


Track 1: me on acoustic, her lead vocal, and my harmony vocal all at once. That was actually all I planned on doing, just to demonstrate the quality. But we liked the vibe so much, we decided to flesh it out.

Track 2: Alli overdubbed low vocal harmony (that's her doubling with the low "AH" melody in the intro, not me --- my vocals don't come in until "I'm taking it slow"), and I played a hand-made shaker (beads in a medicine bottle). I backed off the mic a good bit for the shaker.

Track 3: Alli overdubbed a few lead vocal doubles in some spots and added one of the countermelody "AHs" in the second chorus (I guess you'd call it), and I played the organ solo. For the organ sound, I ran through Mackie Tracktion on my computer in order to access a synth plug-in called "Lazy Snake" (which is freeware) and sent the monitor out to the 414 direct. This was the only thing recorded direct.

Track 4: Alli overdubbed high vocal harmony and doubled the "AH" countermelody. After that, I overdubbed the "xylo-pupofone," which is my 11-month-old son's toy xylophone (shaped like a puppy!) to double/complement the organ solo.

The pupofone was a jumbled affair though, because it only has 6 notes: scale steps 1-6 in the key of C (C D E F G A). But the song was in C minor. So, I sped up the 414 a whole step so it sounded in D minor. Then I was able to play the pupofone as the first five notes of a D minor scale (D E F G A) with an extra low b7 note (C). That limitation of notes greatly influenced what I chose to play.

Overdubbing this part made me realize how rusty I was on my 4-track recording chops! I accidentally erased the very beginning of Alli's harmony on the final "AH" melody outro bit. I was overdubbing the pupofone by myself, and I didn't give myself time enough to get back and push stop! You can hear it in the right speaker if you listen for it. After the organ solo, her "AH" harmony doesn't come in until the second note or so. ooops! :)

I mixed down into Tracktion on my cpu. The only thing I added after that was a mastering plug-in, which did help to add a bit of sparkle that wasn't present on the original recording.

That's pretty much the lowdown. I did the best I could on the engineering end, but truth be told, it wouldn't have sounded nearly as nice if it wasn't for my wive's beautiful vocals. She really makes the song.

Thanks for the listen! :)
 
BEAGLE! Thanks!

That is awesome.

Two thoughts immediately come to me and one is that the mastering plugin had something substantive with which to work! Mastering plugins can do horrible things but the horror becomes all that much more realized if the raw material has "issues". You were able to make excellent use of that plugin. I had a feeling that there was something like that in use but it did what it was supposed to do which is to help those elements rise to the surface. They are either there or not...and the 414 had 'em! WOW!

The second is your comment about your wife's performance. JKudos to her. She has a gorgeous voice, and it has been said again and again that great equipment will not improve a bad performance, and "poor" equipment won't easily deter a great performance. I am impressed with how the 414 captured the performance...both your wife AND you.

Clearly the 414 is ready to deal with higher quality input staging than the onboard preamp. I've heard good things about the DMP3...good out of the box and moddable. I've been really happy with my limited use of an Oktava mic.

Nanoverb..I love it. Considered low-end by so many...there is so much in how stuff is used.

So, great job. It sounds like a tastefully handled process and the results can be heard, and I love that you got the base tracking on one track and so effectively used the remaining tracks. I would wager that most listeners would not believe it was tracked on cassette, and also that it was only 4 tracks. Great use of orchestrating the tracking.

;)
 
BEAGLE! Thanks!

That is awesome.

Two thoughts immediately come to me and one is that the mastering plugin had something substantive with which to work! Mastering plugins can do horrible things but the horror becomes all that much more realized if the raw material has "issues". You were able to make excellent use of that plugin. I had a feeling that there was something like that in use but it did what it was supposed to do which is to help those elements rise to the surface. They are either there or not...and the 414 had 'em! WOW!

The second is your comment about your wife's performance. JKudos to her. She has a gorgeous voice, and it has been said again and again that great equipment will not improve a bad performance, and "poor" equipment won't easily deter a great performance. I am impressed with how the 414 captured the performance...both your wife AND you.

Clearly the 414 is ready to deal with higher quality input staging than the onboard preamp. I've heard good things about the DMP3...good out of the box and moddable. I've been really happy with my limited use of an Oktava mic.

Nanoverb..I love it. Considered low-end by so many...there is so much in how stuff is used.

So, great job. It sounds like a tastefully handled process and the results can be heard, and I love that you got the base tracking on one track and so effectively used the remaining tracks. I would wager that most listeners would not believe it was tracked on cassette, and also that it was only 4 tracks. Great use of orchestrating the tracking.

;)

Thanks Sweetbeats. I've been on kind of a crusade lately to redeem the reputation of the cassette 4-track. I think they get a undeserved bad rap because they were what people first started off on. And that usually means that the musicianship is bad as well as the rest of the gear (guitars, amps, mics, no mic pre probably, etc.), so the 4-track never has much of a chance!

It's really nice to work with one having a bit more experience and a bit better musicianship and seeing what these things are actually capable of. :)
 
Good crusade. You're right. Didn't really think about that. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy...designed for the beginner in many cases and/or for those on a tight budget and in many cases that will equate to potentially a person of lesser experience on either the instrument, the recording gear/process or both and then the cassette 4-track gets labeled as low-end beggininers only gear and we know by your example as well as others here (A Reel Person comes to mind) that the cassette 4-track's potential is beyond what is typically heard. Thanks!

Makes me more excited to get my 388 going. Not cassette, but has close to the same track width as a cassette 4-track but the benefit of the 7.5 ips tape and higher output tape...if the 414 had the capability of tracking as it did you and your wife (again, with good equipment, engineering technique and great performances) I'm really wondering what more I could need...[sweetbeats smacks self in head ala "I coulda hadda V8" style] :D
 
Good crusade. You're right. Didn't really think about that. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy...designed for the beginner in many cases and/or for those on a tight budget and in many cases that will equate to potentially a person of lesser experience on either the instrument, the recording gear/process or both and then the cassette 4-track gets labeled as low-end beggininers only gear and we know by your example as well as others here (A Reel Person comes to mind) that the cassette 4-track's potential is beyond what is typically heard. Thanks!

Makes me more excited to get my 388 going. Not cassette, but has close to the same track width as a cassette 4-track but the benefit of the 7.5 ips tape and higher output tape...if the 414 had the capability of tracking as it did you and your wife (again, with good equipment, engineering technique and great performances) I'm really wondering what more I could need...[sweetbeats smacks self in head ala "I coulda hadda V8" style] :D

Yeah 388s are such cool machines. I was really close to snagging one in pristine condition from a music shop while I lived in Milwaukee for $300 (and this machine was good to go with great heads and everything). I walked in to buy it (after having just seen it in a pile of used stuff two days prior), and while I was standing there for the few seconds of "pre-glow," the employee walked up to it with a "sold" tag in his hand, looking at me kind of sheepishly. Apparently, it had sold online about 5 minutes before I came in! :angry:

So, instead I was able to score a Tascam 38 in excellent condition for $300 and a Tascam M-216 mixer in good condition for $100. I've been using the 216 already, but I haven't yet purchased any tape for the 38, as times have been a little tight. I'm really looking forward to getting it up and running though!
 
..and while I was standing there for the few seconds of "pre-glow," the employee walked up to it with a "sold" tag in his hand, looking at me kind of sheepishly. Apparently, it had sold online about 5 minutes before I came in! :angry:

Man, that's brutal. :(
 
And the likely epilogue?

They shipped it inadequately packed and it was damaged in transit...another 388 bites the dust. Yuck. :mad:
 
BTW, read over the manual for the 380S...neat unit. Kind of brindges the gap between the Tascam 424mkII/mkIII and 644, and AFAIK the only 4-track cassette "Portastudio" unit with Dolby S. Hope it works out good for you IGotA4Track...the manual is also nicely laid out.
 
Hey Beagle, why not post your taped songs in the Post Your Analog Recordings Here... thread. We could use the tunes.
 
Hey Beagle, why not post your taped songs in the Post Your Analog Recordings Here... thread. We could use the tunes.

I would, but I had already posted it in this forum before as its own thread, so would that be kind of overstepping my bounds?
 
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