What would our "home" studios cost....

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Sweet, here's what Dave (Reel) said:
"The digital revolution has devalued recording itself." .... (by making digital AND Analog recording more affortable? Right?) ...
... so enabling more people to record music in BOTH digital and analog fashion "made" the recording music less costly and thus RECORDED music less "valuable" (in terms of $$$$) ? - if so, then with that I agree. And, yes, - less people can record music, less recorded music is available - the higher Cash Value is of any given recording.
But then he said!:
..."in that sense digital recording has devalued music itself in the long run", and this changes the "angle", the picture and the conclusion rather dramatically.
Basically what he is saying now is this: "The More people record their music - the lesser value of the music overall". This is false. If it was not false, then the conclusion could be drawn as follows: "In order to keep the value (read - the quality) of the outcome of an activity at a high level, "we" must restrict the access to that activity for the masses and keep it open only for a small circle of individuals - THE Elite. This is an elitist view and, from where I stand - it's a detestful one. (- not - :cool: )
I am not "throwing stones" ..heh heh :), I just disagree with the "logic"-chain-conclusion :p

Dave also said: "in the turnaround it's not given the world any more good or quality music,... just more music that's everywhere." (more music of ALL sorts, I must add!!!!!) , - and with that I agree, and I'd say that is where it should be left :)

/respects
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p.s.
As for Struggle as an engine of "creativity and ingenuity", heh-heh, that's a good one. It's also a separate "topic" and a pretty complex one.
It is Not that simple as: "More Struggle - Better Life", ;) There's more to that, and one of the core elements (just for sake of pointing out here) is presence of LIBERTY, and I am not talking about an adapted assumption of it in the "modern world", but rather about Liberty that IS Alive and Well.

btw, absence of liberty is a Fundamental form of struggle. :)
 
...neither do I care to figure out whether or not falling rocks off the cliffs in the Grand Canyon has anything to do with singing frogs in the woods of Catskill Mountains.
:D

Might tell us why those singing frogs aren't as comfortable in the Grand Canyon. ;)

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The philisophical rabbit hole goes down deep pretty quick but it really is an interesting and multi-faceted bit to talk about.

I agree with some, if not all of what is being said by all...especially the whole frog thing. :D

Hard to really wrap my head around it all, but emotionally I have an issue with the long history I perceive of the recording industry being quantity driven rather than quality. I'm speaking in generalities here...its certainly not black and white, and being such a spring chicken I think I need to be careful or wary about my perceptions and even moreso about sharing them, but I see milestones and a big one was the shift to digital that coincided with the whole sticky shed crisis...I don't think digital sounds better. Different but not better and if I understand correctly studios ran to digital not because it sounded better but because it didn't melt all over the gear, and there was the advent of random access and 'undo'...non-destructive editing; fast food. Its money driven, and IMO art that is led by money will miss its potential. It may still be incredible, but I believe, emotionally, subjectively, etc., that it will miss its potential. So the whole do more with less (read produce more in less time with less money) thing bothers me, as opposed to the other do more with less (read produce something more sincere/less tweakered/more organic/focused with more simple tools). For me its not an issue of what technology has done to the availability of tools across the spectrum (i.e. old analog gear, new digital toys), but rather what tools are selected since the whole spectrum has dropped drastically in price. I believe older analog gear and more traditional processes bring better expressions out in me, and the maintenance is part of the process. Its all more fun, and I believe that if I'm in harmony with the gear and having fun that the result is more pure. I'm also realistic in that most people could care less what I think or believe, and most people are not pleased nor interested in my results, and that's fine. I play drums because I like how they feel when I hit them and how they sound. I record because I like watching the reels go round and round and I enjoy being able to hear the multi-part pieces with my ears that are in my head that I can't play simultaneously live. That's pretty much it.

Sheesh. blahbblahblah.

back on topic...

My Ampex 440-8 listed for 12,900 in '69. That's like 70,000 today. The M-___ mixer? No idea since its a prototype, but if it was ever marketed and sold I'd figure 10,000 +/- back in the early 80's...the BR-20T? Like, maybe 3,000 new or something? Then the whole 58 package (with RC-51 and RC-50 remotes, ES-50/51 synchronizer and controller, DX-4D x2, CS-607 rack) would have been, maybe 6,000+? There's more but for all of it I've probably spent under 2,000 for the gear...probably spent that much again in refurbishing stuff.
 
Surprised that no one has mentioned that many of these Tascam & Fostex recorders are actually more expensive second hand nowadays than the digital machines that replaced them, ADAT's DA38's ect & even some of the first generation of multitrack hard disc recorders

Many of the digital multitrack machines released in the '90's are now scrap, with many parts being unavailable.

As for buying new it's always been better to buy gear at the end of the production period when an "updated" version is about to be released. Electronic gear always loses it's value very quick from the purchase date!!!!
 
Nice!

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My Ampex 440-8 listed for 12,900 in '69. That's like 70,000 today. .
You are a rich man.!
:D

- that's what my wife tells me when ever I brag about the stuff in my side of the basement, that look to her like bunch of old junk taking up the valuable space. heh heh :D
 
What would our "home" studios cost if we bought them new "back then".
A bloody stupid fortune. :o

Mine, probably around 40 grand all together though mine is a mix of new and used gear of which I still probably spent somewhere in the ball part of 20 grand and if I sold it all today would probably be lucky to get 4 or 5 grand for it all...assuming I could find someone out there with the money to buy it in this ecconomy...of which I have a better chance of winning the lottery. :D

Cheers! :)
 
A bloody stupid fortune. :o

Mine, probably around 40 grand all together though mine is a mix of new and used gear of which I still probably spent somewhere in the ball part of 20 grand and if I sold it all today would probably be lucky to get 4 or 5 grand for it all...assuming I could find someone out there with the money to buy it in this ecconomy...of which I have a better chance of winning the lottery. :D

Cheers! :)

Did you sell the MS-16?
 
In this "economy" it may be wiser trying to find someone with carrots and cabbages rather than with the "money".
:D

I'd settle for an AK-47, 10,000 rounds of ammo and a pair of night vision goggles with a bullet proof vest. Then I could commandeer all the carrots and cabbages I needed at no additional cost. :D

Cheers! :)
 
I'd settle for an AK-47, 10,000 rounds of ammo and a pair of night vision goggles with a bullet proof vest. Then I could commandeer all the carrots and cabbages I needed at no additional cost
Cheers! :)
Heh heh , good thinking :D
, however, I hope you don't confuse the actual folks with carrots with those smily supermarket managers.
The folks who actually HAVE the carrots got enogh rounds themselves and have no problem wasting them and they usually do not like to be commandeered around :D
 
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