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nzausrec - The jingles I was involves with were all on a local level. Anything I've done were for a flat fee.Once I handed over the music and/or script it belongs to the client. I just try to charge enough to make sure I cover my costs (vocal talent, etc) and make enough to justify my time.

Walter - I envie your very balanced approach to music and life. To be at peace with your place in life is a blessing many never have.
 
Walter - I envie your very balanced approach to music and life. To be at peace with your place in life is a blessing many never have.


Xdrummer: I have struggled with the music business all my life and probably will for a spell to come. I get sad at times that it is such a conservative business. It preaches being way out there, but it is as rooted in rules as the Federal Penal system. What I am coming to is just staying present and working on enjoying the day. I got a call from a big promoter in france this week. He knows I am now a school teacher and was wondering if I would be interested in playing a bunch of major festivals in europe next summer. I was really touched by this. My gut said yes, but then I hate to leave my wife and dogs, and fly. So, I said give it a shot and we will see what pans out. Heck, I struggle to get a gig here in the USA. Overseas has always been more supportive of what I do. I based my band out of Brussels for 2.5 years. That was great. I never was treated better. I haven't been back since 86 and it would be nice to get back over there. Anyway, a buda I ain't- just a struggling to be thankful for all I have guy I am. Thanks. Walter
 
Well, as I started this thread I think it's about time I told my story. I've held back because I've posted bits about me before, and also it's probably one of the dullest you're gonna read...

When I was about 7:
..or before, I started writing poems and cartoon/comic captions (and drawing) and then came song lyrics too.

I started playing a cornet (brass, not ice cream!) then trumpet and also baritone; all brass instruments. The school orchestra taught me basic music theory and how to sight read. The headmaster got an MBE for his work with music for children (Member in the most excellent order of the British Empire!!!); and we were on the main news once on BBC TV!

I mention the above as it is probably the highlight of my musical career to date!

I later gave up the trumpet as my teacher told me that I didn't have "the right shape lips" to play really well and he offered me a permanent seat on baritone, which I didn't fancy as it wasn't sexy enough! It semed to me that trumpet players got the girls. Well, they did in our school orchestra anyway, better kissers I guess... or something... :)

For quite a while I carried on alone with my poems and song lyrics and also bits of tuneless tunes.

About five years later I was encouraged by an old pal to "..buy a bass guitar and join my group!" I bought an old Hofner bass for £12 GBP and joined. Before I could hardly play a note we did our one and only gig at Christmas the same year. That incarnation broke up soon after.

For the next five years I went from one band to another, sometimes on guitar, sometimes on bass with the same pals or new people. We could never seem to get a full set of people or equipment together at the same time to get anything good enough to gig with, either performance or equipment wise. They were rehearsing bands: cellars, rooms in pubs, warehouses, etc. We were never satisfied and people came and went. It was always, always covers. I could never get any real enthusiasm or understanding from anybody regarding my own songs. I still have a tape of me singing my songs from 1974 and to be fair to one and all, it's grim listening. Even my mother said so... ;-)

1977: attempted to get one of my songs published (with a pal who put up one of his songs) and we got a personal introduction into Louvigny Music at Radio Luxembourg. They were really nice to us (in hindsight..) but didn't want our songs and we were devastated. I gave up. (I had a ton of confidence and stamina in those days..)

1978: I formed a gigging band with two brothers (me on bass) and they sang really well. We did covers and played around the working mens clubs in the North of England. We also did a bit of cabaret. It was fun, we got on well, we went down a storm mostly, and I was earning as much money from gigging at weekends as I was from the day job. But again there was no interest from the band in my songs. To be fair, I had no confidence to play them to the band anyway, as they were such good singers, and I was like a frog with laryngitus in comparison!

I later quit the band to further my career as a Sound & Lighting Engineer in nightclubs which required me to work nights at weekends... I regret leaving that band, but anyway... working in nightclubs was good fun too...

Eventually I moved from my hometown in the North to London and got a job as a computer engineer initially and then went into sales and sales management.

1985-2005
Worked hard, made good money, had a family, bought a house, got a life as they say, but could never give up song writing and always kept at least one guitar, even if I didn't play it much. On long car journeys when I was on the road as an an engineer and salesman, I would switch off the radio and sing my own songs acapela. I was happy enough just to create song ideas, let alone good quality demos.

2006
I had had enough of demanding day jobs after twenty years and decided to take a break from it, get a less demanding job and try my hand at writing comedy sketches in my spare time (which I'd always dabbled with). Also, I had by now written hundreds of songs, possibly 800. About 200 had survived in various forms (no demos) just words on paper and tunes in my head. Of all that lot I estimated there were about six that had any kind of commercial appeal and I thought I ought to try and get them a wider audience! Also, I figured I could do with a hit song to retire on! (Ha!) So the next job was to create some decent arrangements and demos.

2009
I have failed miserably to create any demos decent enough to play to anyone else. A few poor quality demos do exist, but nothing you could play to professionals. My next gambit is to try www.jamstudio.com and "Band in a box" and with some roughish demos to showcase the songs, I'll probably then pay professional musicians to create quality demos for me.

*****

There's more to my story (but that would be name dropping and they only said no anyway..) Also, I am looking at representing the songs of others (who do have decent demos available) using my sales and marketing skills. But that's early days.

To anybody who is still reading, I'll say...

Naw, nobody can still be reading this!!! :-)

In conclusion, I would say that what has held me back most is:

1. Lack of confidence.
2. Being more of a writer than I am musician/singer.
3. Possibly, an abundance of crap songs too!?!? :D

But yes I enjoy my music and another "problem" is that I am too satisfied (maybe) just by the creative process itself, which I adore, and which I mostly pursue as an art rather than a craft.

Ars longa, vita brevis!

Frankie xxx
 
Well Frankie, I read every word! Great story, thanks for sharing. Here is my sad tale, with a happy ending.

Lack of confidence - as a writer - was what held me back all these years as well. I have always been a decent musician, in fact I paid the mortgage by playing the pub circuit (solo) back in the late 70s/early 80s. But I always did 100% cover songs.

I wrote one song back in 1976 after driving alone from western Canada to California in my VW Bug, sleeping in the back seat. That was the only song I'd ever written.

In 1979, while playing one of my solo gigs, I threw the song into the middle of the set. After a few more gigs, I noticed "regulars" in the audience singing along with the song. Wow! What a feeling!

That song is on my Soundclick page as "California On My Mind (1976)".

But, everything I tried to write after that sounded, to me, like shit. I gave up.

Time marched on; marriage, houses, kids, career.

Then suddenly, 30 years later, something pulled the cork out of the bottle. I had undergone a lot of personal growth in 2007/08 which somehow sparked my creativity, removed my apprehension, and simply allowed me to WRITE confidently. Having a decent recording setup and a couple of nice instruments helped get the sounds in my head out into the world. This all happened this past September, when I was at the ripe young age of 50.

It's my opinion that I have written some pretty good songs since then. When guys on this site ask if they can actually do covers of my songs, it validates this thought for me. Not that I need it, I would still write and record anyway...but it's always nice that people like the material (thanks Gecko Zzed and nzausrec).

I have a very successful career as Director of Engineering for a luxury hotel chain (Fairmont) and I can now dabble in music as an outlet for my right brain. I am having a ball!!!
 
Hi Frankie: As long as you are enjoying your music, you are blessed. I could tell of a ton of guys with big names, that would rather be doing something else. I often belive it is a blessing to not be discovered by the music business. That almost always results in compromising your ideas. Walter
 
don't judge by appearances

I won't bore you with a novel, but this might be the last couple chapters of the music section of my life so far:


I stopped listening to the radio somewhere about 1988.

Beginning in the mid-80's I found what passed for music got less and less artisitic, less intelligent, and lyrically crass.

I now find music boring. And that's a genuine complement in light of what I really think.
 
Wow, that's despondent. Switch your radio back on, mate.. it ain't all grim.

Also, we are all of our time to some extent. So if you were a teenager in the 1980's (I'm guessing) then maybe it's music of the early 80's and '70's that you were turned on by?

Anyway, there is plenty of wonderful music made before 1988. Hundred's of years of it, in fact, so plenty to still explore, mate! :)
 
I got kicked out of a band in 1980 and dropped out of music school. I moved to the mountains to teach skiing and vowed to never attempt to perform music in public again. A few years later I was recruited to play bass for 'Free Beer' with a bunch of fellow ski instructors and in our attempt to play nothing musical but have a good time (and drink free beer) I discovered that performances are in the moment. I've had my fits of aspiration but found out in "Doing Music and Nothing Else" that in order to make it in music you have to hate your day job. Being a Ski Instructor, I never have that level of disgust with my life and have accepted the fact that I am satisfied just to play in bars.
 
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