Vista 64 bit . . . too new ??

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My problem is:
I bought a new computer system a couple of months ago (8 gig ram, 2.83 gig processor, 1 Tbye storage, Vista 64 bit OS) and was excited about getting going in digital home recording. I 'dabbled' a bit with a Tascam Pocketstudio 5 but was looking forward to going 'big time' with my new system. I bought a middle of the road mike and was told I needed a USB audio interface so bought one (can't remember the name but not really relevant). It didn't have 64 bit drivers even on it's site so I took it back and bought a Tascam US-144 and everything was fine until I tried to load/run the bundled software that came with the 144, Cuebase LE4. Turns out it's not compatible with 64 bit and after conacting them (Teac) they said they had no plans on providing 64 bit drivers for the 'light' packages. They did offer to sell me the full Cuebase for over $600 which is compatible ! ! aaarghhh. So my question is: is there 64 bit, low priced (say $200 or so) recording software out there ??
- a friend of mine suggesting partioning my hard drive and loading XP 32 bit as a separate OS but that sounds like headaches to me ??

Any suggestions??
 
im not totally following what you are saying.

there are two different issues here:

drivers

and

programs.

32 bit drivers willl NOT work in vista 64. drivers are the software that makes your hardware (for instance your usb interface) communicate with the OS, to put it non-scholarly.

however, 32 bit PROGRAMS (for instance, cubase LE) WILL work with vista 64. I run reaper 32 bit version under vista 64 (8 gigs ram) and it works wonderfully.

so, you need 64 bit drivers, but you dont need 64 bit programs.

The only downside is that your 32 bit programs cannot access more than 4 gigs of RAM. Since i have 8, i dont view this as a problem, because i can let other programs potentially running at the same time take up that other 4 gigs.

there is a downside to 64 bit programs at the moment too: They cant use 32 bit plugins. 64 bit programs cannot call 32 bit dlls - so therefore you can only use 64 bit plugins, which are few in number at the moment, and more than likely, many older plugins will NOT be updated to 64 bit.

Some programs like cakewalk sonar have implemented a "bit bridge" to use 32 bit plugins in a 64 bit program, but i have heard mixed opinions about this. I am hoping reaper will also have a bit bridge soon enough.


reaper is 50 dollars and is working perfectly under vista 64. i highly recommend it. www.reaper.fm you get the 32 bit and 64 bit version

I switched from xp32 to vista64 on this machine and ive never looked back. Its more stable with my firepod, and simply works flawlessly with all of my 32 bit programs that i used to use under winxp32.

dont get a separate os.
 
thanks jason

thanks for the informative (& quick) response. So . . . I'm still not sure why I couldn't get my Cuebase LE4 (the bundled software that came with the Tascam US 144) going ? but . . . that's probably another issue since I returned them already.
So . . . my next question is:
- because the Tascam seemed to be working fine (drivers etc.) if go back and buy it again (as the interface) and then buy Reaper as the recording software . . I'll be fine?

Thanks again.
 
I got a Tascam Pocketstudio 5 from some 4 years ago and now I can't correctly get the driver working under XP64, because there AIN'T NO such thingy as a Tascam Pocketstoodio 5 64bit Driver. In Device Manager, there is a question mark and ALL the available drivers WILL NOT help.

It is known that several Intel ICH9 chipsets like my P35 board have problems A) with getting the BIOS mode of native AHCI harddisk mode, which Vista supports by standard, but instead, for XP64, one has to change that to an IDE emulation mode, and B) you can't then connect more than one harddisk to the machine or a boot failure will occur at BIOS startup, and C) on this board under XP64, mass storage external drives like an ipod 5th generation 30GB will not work - ALL THE SAME, in spite of ALL of that - EXCEPT MAYBE the issue with the mass storage external drives over usb), I somehow STILL now feel these are problems of the P35 from Intel, but also, with a patch for XP64, I got an onboard old soundcard working, which didn't without the hotifx.

I think, the problem is, that a driver has to be ESPECIALLY made for 64bit.

It COULD be that Vista or Win7 have by standard such drivers for example also my Pocketstudio 5, but it is rather doubtable.

If ANYone knows about a 64-bit driver for the pocketstudio 5, please, PLEASE, let me know. If this is not the case, I will DEMAND it from Tascam.

I paid for it and have a RIGHT on 64bit drivers. What do they THINK? Leave users of old hardware on the street to rot or use win or dos8 bit or what?:confused: :rolleyes:

EDIT: Well. I found this:

http://aes.harmony-central.com/121AES/article/TASCAM/64-Bit-Drivers.html

--> but it seems like I gotta BUY somethang or WHAT? I friggin BOUGHT my Pocketstudio, for 700 Franks at a store where the owner was also bad to me concerning another guitar.

--> AND are there only drivers for other products from Tascam, probably not the good and surely NOT "old" Pocket friggin no-64-driver-studio?

I HOPE sincerely I can resolve the issue with correct adaptation of my mass storage issue concerning external usb drives on my intel p35 board.

It is not easy. When I move that PC to the bunker bandroom, I will be able to transfer data, but always back and forth from home and room. gothic musician. wanna record outside and the new digital 2line tascam thingy is great, better than the zoom one, but my studio has also better usability, although a lot bigger size and no two, but only one mic built in, and NO multitrack recording except stereo 2 line recording, there, you have to SPLIT the input to the studio into left-guitar and right-bass for example, with a SPECIAL cable that doesn't route 2 stereo inputs to stereo, but two independent lines on left and right, because YOU CANT push the rec ready buttons of lines 1 or 2 AND 3 or 4 AT THE SAME TIME. Always ONLY ONE track can be recorded. Actually STUPIDLY concepted and built, as came to my humble but conscious mind. WHY not build in there the capability to record on lines 1 and 2 AND 3 and 4 AT THE SAME TIME? When there are TWO inputs, when I sing, and play guitar while singing, I need AT LEAST to inputs for a correct recording where you make the voice louder afterwards, for example, or you put reverb on voice, but not on guitar, and so on. Not possible without splitting cables, and only 2 mono inputs can be recorded. Funny. So I bought that thing, there is an astounding article about it on the net by a guy who uses a mac, but that negative side, no stereo multitrack recording possible, he somehow oversaw or what. Haha.

EDIT2: I cannot resist it: It is EXACLTY like for example the little portable Amp Roland Microcube whom we all know and love. I do, too. BUT all is MEGA EXCEPT: As SOON as I plugin and output to the rec out output, the SPEAKER GOES NUMB. OFF. THING ON, working, all is fine, speaker off. No button to change that. One has got to open the thing and analyse the electrical wirement or what, how funny. I WANNA AND FRIGGIN NEEEEEED to record outside and HEAR MYSELF ON ONLY THAT CUTE BUT SUPER DUPER AMP SPEAKER. But NO. ITs turned off when you connect something to it to record the stuff you otherwise play for eternity and nothingness. For the moment. Lost to the next day, no proof you are a good musician. Atmosphere gone. No way to repeat that you played on the river in an office or at daytime in some city place. IMpossibile seniores. Hardware leaves you there standing, waiting for GODOT or rather a Tascam free hacker driver guru that does a 64 driver and puts a manual on the net how to unblock the Roland Microcube?

... Huh. While talking a lot of probable or rather unprobable BS, you get to to the kind of solution, haha: I just wanted to say that on my old P4, I could also totally normally connect it in USB mode to the PC. Haha. The P4 is now my server in the office, just in the other room at home. So I put it there and connect it there. Wow. What a pc supporter. Haha. When in fact, I am a pro supporter. Also, for example, to find XP drivers for acer laps is a MESS and sometimes you don't get the sounddriver... u CANT do nothing if there ARE no drivers for a certain product in combination with certain software. then, you got to use the stupid new supported software system like friggin vista, of which gates said himself after that MS couldn't do worse! How awkward for him to so freely even admit that without major detection of his structural deception.

EDIT3: Well, this is a so-so solution: A) People need 64 bit drivers also for older hardware. I am happy that sometimes, I can buy a fujitsu needle printer I once had again and totally normally connect it to the par port on my old Pentium4. Not possible on newer machines, they got no par port nomore. AND B) I also wanna record at home inside my music room with the tascam, not possible if thing in other room, always going to other pc to transfer data is not super duper dull, but a little dull and daft. OH well.

EDIT4: Forgive me, pc supporter comes with idea: What about VMWAre? No prob to get an old 32 bit win to work there under XP64. I hope inside the virtual sys, it works. there should be some obstacles in the way, if already the usb connection is supporting normal, but not big drive devices, it could affect the loading of the:

--- TATA! Pocketstudio 5 WIN driver which IS CORRECTLY first selected by my XP64, but it FAILS, as I said, when the short install is completed, error message, device could not be started, and yellow question mark in device manager.

that the driver IS at ALL recognized by my system COULD now really mean if I could also connect my ipod successfully also the studio would work. after all, it is a storage device, the tascam studio. i'll post here again when real solution found.

EDIT5 or so: If the available driver can be used by XP64 also, it is MEA CULPA and it's me who has to get his hardware working with the right device registry entry for my ICH9 board which is a MESS of an intel shoostering-UNcraft. But I saw right at the start on top of this thread others can't get many Tascam products to run under vista, for example. A very bad sign. For Mister Tascam. They will NOT let me alone with the PS 5. Or as a revenge, I become a game designer and also musician, of course, and will try to boycott this company and others like sony and ms, short for multiple sklerosis...
 
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Some programs like cakewalk sonar have implemented a "bit bridge" to use 32 bit plugins in a 64 bit program, but i have heard mixed opinions about this.../QUOTE]

Well, dear Jason:

I use Sonar now for some year, and I got some 100 plugins for midi keyboard in it, also for guitar amp I got plugins, and also I use reason and record it into sonar, but only one line can be transferred live without a second synchronzed pc, and if I set the buffer to lowest at 96000 to 128 bytes, I got no latency, except if the plugin itself produces a lag or delay which disturbs. also on guitar, no latency. recording deivce is a MOTU 8 Pre Firewire. The pci card creative audigy 2 soundcard even goes out to to lines on the motu with nearly no noise when the inputs are not too loud.

Sonar is the best. Can be that Cubase is more professional, plugins can be used by any vst program or the newer formats whose names I don't even care about anymore.
 
I know it's already been mentioned, but Reaper.

http://www.reaper.fm
Better than CubaseLE4. At least in my opinion any way. It does what I want it to do, and very effectively at that. You pretty much get all the options of a 500-600 dollar DAW app for MUCH less of a price.

I recommend running the 32bit version, only because not all audio stuff is 64bit compatible yet.
 
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