What I finally traded the Hot Rod Deluxe For...

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The owner of the Giller (Matchless clone) was posting his amp to Craigs list even after we 99% agreed on a deal, and the amp was not exciting me, anyway. Nothing else was looking like a sweet deal for me, and then this came up on craigslist:

http://www.gretschdrums.com/?fa=drums&sid=573

Sale or trade- guy was a guitarist and wanted a tube amp. He was very happy with the HRD, I very happy with the drums, which included 3 cymbal stands, hi-hat, throne, cymbals, stick bag with many sticks, recording rings for the drums, a few other extras. So, we struck the deal. Drums are going into the New Orleans recording studio, which will then have a decent set and a banger set. This one is NOT the banger set (we don't have THAT kind of money, yet...)
 
I've been looking at HRD's. Out of curiosity, why did you want to trade it?
 
Because I also have a vintage Deluxe Reverb AND a vintage Pro Reverb. Too many amps too much alike.

I wouldn't say the HRD has anything in common with those other two amps...especially not the Deluxe.
 
I wouldn't say the HRD has anything in common with those other two amps...especially not the Deluxe.

Careful, Outlaws, lest you get hoisted on your own pitard:
Why is it that anything vintage has to be good? Just like anything with a tube in it has to be the greatest thing since sliced bread?

And anyway,Au contraire monsieur.

With the Pro-
40 watts power, from 2 6l6's
12AX7 pre amp tubes (3)
Spring reverb
Almost identical tone.

With the Deluxe-
12AX7 pre amp tubes
Spring reverb
1, 12" speaker
Almost identical cab dims.

What the vintage amps have that the HRD does not:
Tremolo
P2P wiring (but that, in and of it's self, has no effect on tonel.)

What the HRD has that the other two, do not:
On-board channel switching, without having to resort to an A/B/Y box
On-board overdrive and distortion channels ("Drive" and "More Drive") without having to resort to a dist. or overdrive pedal.

It was NOT an easy choice, as evidenced by all the questions I was asking in this forum. Say what you will about "vintage tone" (which is as subjective a thing as there ever was) but Fender gets some of their modern and/or RI amps right- and the HRD sounds to be one of them.

It just was not my favorite, coming in a close, but still third, behind the other two.
 
Why you quoted something i posted in another thread is beyond me? But I stand by that post anyways.

With the Pro-
40 watts power, from 2 6l6's
12AX7 pre amp tubes (3)
Spring reverb
Almost identical tone.

With the Deluxe-
12AX7 pre amp tubes
Spring reverb
1, 12" speaker
Almost identical cab dims.

Are you kidding? :eek::eek::eek:
I don't know where to start with this. ...or if I even should.

The specs of wattage, tube configuration, and having spring reverb have so little to do with anything that it isn't even funny you consider them to be the reason they are almost "identical". They are factors, but no where near as important. Spend less time reading the MusiciansFriend mailers and more time playing you guitar. The HRD sounds nothing like the Pro Reverb other than they both have ample gain. The structure of the gain isn't "almost identical".

As for the Deluxe....how can you state they both use 12ax7s for preamp tubes?!?!?! Mesa Tripple Recs use 12ax7, you must have the high gain thing covered too then with that DR. Infact, I may be wrong, but I think the Deluxe has a different tube for the phase inverter, I think the Silverfaces still had a tube rectifier(which makes it almost impossible for it to have the same immediate punch as the HRD) and I think it even has a tube buffered reverb. And you should check, but I think I recall the DR having a different reverb unit than the HRD. All of this on top of the circuit board.

Identical cab dimensions?!?!?! Again, play your guitar more, read less.
You didn't mention speakers. You should look because generally the DRs use an Alnico, and the others are Ceramic....but then they are all 12" so what does it really matter right? :cool:


What the vintage amps have that the HRD does not:
Tremolo
P2P wiring (but that, in and of it's self, has no effect on tonel.)

P2P wiring? This area you should read more. There are few amps that are point-to-point. VERY few. What you have is a turret board.
But since we are clear on this...turret boards do have an effect on tone....just look at all the old Marshalls where people search to find a good one. Its because component placement is key, but then that goes for PCBs also.

What the HRD has that the other two, do not:
On-board channel switching, without having to resort to an A/B/Y box
On-board overdrive and distortion channels ("Drive" and "More Drive") without having to resort to a dist. or overdrive pedal.
So what? The second channel on the HRD is general considered worthless anyways. At least I thought it was.


Say what you will about "vintage tone" (which is as subjective a thing as there ever was) but Fender gets some of their modern and/or RI amps right- and the HRD sounds to be one of them.
You have a couple of mid-late 70's silverfaces correct? I would say the definition of "vintage tone" would have to be resolved first because those are not the amps that made that "vintage tone" Fender got famous for.

In closing, all I have to say is that the crux of the post you quoted of mine from a long time ago, is proven with your very own post here. People want things because they heard that something is the best, and without any understanding of why, they believe it...and with that, they obtain a higher level of enjoyment.
 
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Back to the original post - my roommate has a Gretch Catalina set. Awesome, great pick up. :D

And, for all subsequent discussion - personally I'd rather have a decent drum kit and two tube Fenders than three tube fenders and no drumkit.
 
Yeah, Drew, that was just about my rationale, too.
 
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