suprstar
It aint ez being green
I came to say pretty much that exact thing. But since it's already been said, carry on.....
I came to say pretty much that exact thing. But since it's already been said, carry on.....
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MCI2424
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Clipping because of low voltage could potentially be an issue, but sending someone down the path of blaming their equipment for their audio shortfalls in many cases does more harm than good!
That said, here are the specs for his interface:
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=704
I don't know much about the various voltages and such involved with recording: a lack of knowledge I plan on remedying this year
They say it has phantom powered pre-amps. The 48 volt powersupply is in the box. It looks like it should work (I thought it was a souncard where there is never anything close to 48 volts). His clipping is not the mic, probably not the interface, but the +4dbU output feeding the -10 input of the recording program. Check settings in Sonar.
Or a bad mic, bad interface or bad cable.
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Beeros
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Yeah I think that can make sense ! but how can I correct that in Sonar ?? how can i change the -10 dbU input that you're talking about ? Sorry I'm new with all that home recording thing...
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doulos24
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It comes down to gear and skill to get huge massive guitar recordings you don’t need the amps cranked to get great tone all you add is a higher noise floor buzzing in the cabinet more hiss and hum what I would do is back off the gain a little more yes I said back off the gain then I would if possible use a limiter before going into the sound card cause you will get a lot louder useful signal going in which Is needed at this age of over compressed radio ready demo garbage then you stack your guitar tracks less gain stacks better then more gain experiment but when you have like 2 or 3 layered tracks you will hear the effect listen to the first recording want more bottom end leave the gain alone and bring the mic lower and closer get a good low end tone second pass concentrate on the highs and blend to taste
Steve Henningsgard
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. *shift* . *shift* , "and" . *shift* ( ) , , ' , *no shift* *no space* - , - . *shift* ( *than ). *shift* , . *shift* . *shift* ? *shift* . *shift* , .
You missed these keys, my friend. They're generally regarded as somewhat necessary to properly convey the message you intend through the English language. I recommend using them from time to time, sort of like salt and/or pepper on a meal.
That said, some of what you said was true, but not really anything that hadn't been said already in this thread. If you disagree with my statement about cranking a tube amp for sweet tone, let's hear your tone samples. I'm willing to admit there is a possibility that you've discovered how to get great tone without utilizing the speaker-bending or cabinet involvement that you get when an amp is turned up, and to admit that there's a possibility that you've found a form of pre-amp gain that's not fuzzy and shitty compared to power-amp gain, but I recommend you write up some detailed articles on how you've achieved this, as it pretty much goes against everything we've learned as engineers since the dawn of rock.
You could be right though...
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Diverdown
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Hello all
Wading in and adding to the op,s question or at least what I thought he was asking
i think hes inquiring whether decreasing the (gain?) sensetivity of your microphone to compensate for a louder signal from your source ie amp is a good tradeoff
Wading in and adding to the op,s question or at least what I thought he was asking
i think hes inquiring whether decreasing the (gain?) sensetivity of your microphone to compensate for a louder signal from your source ie amp is a good tradeoff
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Beeros
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Hello all
Wading in and adding to the op,s question or at least what I thought he was asking
i think hes inquiring whether decreasing the (gain?) sensetivity of your microphone to compensate for a louder signal from your source ie amp is a good tradeoff
exactly ! thats what i wanna know.... my thoughts are that the preamps in the edirol sound card are so weak that they need to be all the way up to get a decent sound.... that's why i can't crank my amp too loud....
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Diverdown
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Im just a beginner myself and am not sure ifwhat i write is correct but I imagine if you crank your amp to its best sweetest sound and you feel your preamp / mic gain settings need be high to get the best quality recording then your mic placement and room treatment would need to be your variables
JMHO
Peter
Steve Henningsgard
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Don't blame your equipment unless you're sure it's broken or terrible. It'll just make it easier for you to continue to blame it for any lack in experience or ability you might or might not have (I haven't heard your work, so I'm not sure what your stuff sounds like).
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doulos24
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do a quick searh in the post for the word limiter thanks
what kind of tone would you like?
thats good cause most of my recordings are with amps under 5 watts
and some of my favorite ones are at 1/2 watt.
yes its called great clean tone and a pedal board.
its no big secret this is very common practice in recording studios
small rcording amps and cabs can get some amazing tone without the loud volumes
indeed i could be
suprstar
It aint ez being green
He didnt say you need a 100w halfstack, he said you need to push the power tubes to saturation. Whether it's an .5w or 18w or 100w is irrelevent.
Clean tone is still tube tone if you're pushing the power tubes!
Steve Henningsgard
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I'm not in the mood to turn this into a flamewar or something. I will say that the interface he's using has a limiter built into it (I posted a link to the interface if you'd like to double check). I can also say that the OP posted a sample of obviously distorted guitars, and that by stating how low-wattage your amps of choice are, you are in fact proving my point that power-amp distortion is better-sounding than pre-amp distortion.
I did in fact slightly mis-state my point when it came to describing a "great tone". I'd assumed that, within the context of this thread about *distorted* guitar tone, that it would be assumed that I was speaking specifically of distorted guitar tone, but you are correct in that I didn't specify that.
I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was speaking specifically and only about 4x12 cabs and 100w+ heads. I wasn't trying to insult you with my post (with the exception of your inadequate command of the various intricacies of spelling, grammar, and punctuation involved with the English language, and the indisputably amateurish tone that it gives your posts), but you must agree that we'd all benefit much more from posting dissenting opinions with a positive and constructive tone, than with an insulting one (especially the original poster). I must admit that my response to your post wasn't completely beneficial to the discussion, but if you'd come in with a positive, helpful attitude, it wouldn't have triggered my marginally insulting response.
Let's get back on-topic.
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doulos24
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I guess that might be were I got that idea
I still say you don't have to have that amp past three on the volume knob to get great tone from it with the right equipment. I’ll still say the louder you crank it the harder it is to get good recorded tone from it esp with home recording situations bad rooms bad grounding hiss hum monophonic feedback etc.
this is petty but you attacked me so deal with it
very sound advice but I'd add know the limitations of your gear and aim for reasonable results as well
I wasn't insulting the origional poster. I had a mild rant of how I hate the overly compressed whos going to win the loudness wars comercial radio ready music trends.
your tone is alot more helpful then mine my post was bland and dry I just make sggestions and post what I can from my years in the professional music industry which is alot more then I ever got btw.
i try to offer advice based on the situation I'm presented with.
I could say well to get the most out of this amp your going to need a noise suppressor a hot plate a sm57 a neumann u87 a 10 by 10 treated room a avalon 2022 a manley slam a pultec eq going to a apogee a/d converter running at 192k and I'd be right but whats the point in that?
telling someone in a home recording situation well you need to crank the amp to sound like 100 harleys all cranked is just as pointless imho
we agree to disagree now lets move on
Steve Henningsgard
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I'd be interested to hear samples of your work, specifically in the metal/hardcore/rock genre(s). If you've figured out a way to get the tone that I get with a cranked rivera/4x12 combo, with a single-speaker 5w combo, I'd honestly be thankful, as it does blow my ears every time I have to stick my head in front of it.
Examples of my tone are on my page: myspace.com/stevehenningsgard
The most recent material is "The Dark Design" (the other stuff is older, but I feel represents the genres in which I've worked, as well as documenting my progression chronologically: I'm still a relative noob).
(P.S. As for the "100 harleys" reference:
met·a·phor (mět'ə-fôr', -fər)
n.
A figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another, thus making an implicit comparison.)
JG96
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i think you have more distortion then you need and its cutting out a lot of bass and mid
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doulos24
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60watts near max volume enough said
your work is great way better then i expected im impresed
Steve Henningsgard
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Thanks for the input, but I like the tone I'm getting. It's all personal taste I suppose!
Not sure what you're getting at here...
Thanks! Do you have any of your work up?
whjr15
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Read up a little more, because from that statement it doesn't sound like you understand phase relationships very well.
Long story short: phase cancellation occurs when 2 (or more) mics are picking up the same sound source - at different times.
Where are you placing the 2 mics? In the context of the above quote alone, (equipment, desired amount of distortion, etc. not included) phase cannot be ruled out.. And is more likely than not, affecting the recording negatively.
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doulos24
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http://www.myspace.com/onesickbend track 4 rawrrrr lol
this was done about 3 years ago its not perfect. just demo quality the bottom end needs work defenition from the bass kick drum low vocal etc. but oh well the guitars are decent it wa s a small single 12 inch peavy amp forget which one
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Beeros
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ok... well i tried different mics position.... and it never seems to get a lot worse or a lot better... as if phase cancellation was not the problem... maybe i'm wrong...