Ok...videos.

[reklus]

That shit you posted sucks because it does.

Why? Is this because I teased your friend about making sort of dull music?

I apologized and explained that I was drunk beyond belief.

Tell me why you think we suck.

I'm curious.

I think a lot of people get offended by the fact that we only take the performance and our audience seriously. We don't take ourselves seriously at all.

For the record, I think our guitarist (not me- I'm the fatty on lead vocals) is an amazing soloist.

Check out our other videos too and get back to me if it still hurts your brain so much.

 

[Greg_L]

Huh. No question? I see we're all playing the absolutes game. I love this
"If I don't like it sucks. I can quantify what sucks but don't ask me to. "

What do you hate about it? Why does it offend your sensibilities so, and why do so many people worry more about polish than fun? Rock is supposed to piss off people and not be understood by the squares. We weren't going for that, but we seem to have hit a nerve.

Just a reminder, not that we're comparing ourselves to the Ramones, or other influential punk bands but everybody forgets that people made the same judgements. We're not a punk band and we don't follow that same idea, but I'm amazed at how these reactions mirror that time so well.

Lol. Okay. You are a delusional moron.

You posted some crap in a forum where people actually try to make good recordings using modest gear and then get defensive when told that it's not good. Being low-fi and "ironic" is cool and trendy and all, but most people here try to sound good while still doing what they believe in. That's where the miscommunication lies. There's nothing wrong with wanting to sound good or play good. It doesn't make you a slave to the machine or whatever the fuck you are so retardedly rebelling against. If you're so above all this, why can't you handle people not liking your stuff?

 

[Greg_L]

Why? Is this because I teased your friend about making sort of dull music?

I apologized and explained that I was drunk beyond belief.

Tell me why you think we suck.

I'm curious.

I think a lot of people get offended by the fact that we only take the performance and our audience seriously. We don't take ourselves seriously at all.

For the record, I think our guitarist (not me- I'm the fatty on lead vocals) is an amazing soloist.

Check out our other videos too and get back to me if it still hurts so much.

I don't know what friend you're talking about. I'm talking about this thread.

I think you suck because the songs are boring and you're making too big a deal about how "different" you think you are. That's it. The crappy recording and lame videos just compound the suckage.

You don't take your performance seriously, as you claim. Lol. The performances were awful in those songs.

Don't flatter yourself. You're not "hurting me". Checking out more of your stuff would be painful though.

 

[reklus]

I don't know what friend you're talking about. I'm talking about this thread.

I think you suck because the songs are boring and you're making too big a deal about how "different" you think you are. That's it. The crappy recording and lame videos just compound the suckage.

You don't take your performance seriously, as you claim. Lol. The performances were awful in those songs.

Don't flatter yourself. You're not "hurting me". Checking out more of your stuff would be painful though.

I never said we were different. I admitted most people won't like us. The fact that you're reacting so strongly indicates that we're doing something very well.

When I said performance, I meant LIVE as in before an audience. Because that's all that matters is how much you can give a crowd.

I think you're a great person for giving us so much of your time and energy.

There's nothing ironic about it. I think we're great. Not classically great and we fuck up alot, but we're totally aware of our limitations and celebrate them.

I love this fucking band. Mostly because we can piss off fans of the truly worst band ever, KISS.

 

[Greg_L]

I never said we were different. I admitted most people won't like us. The fact that you're reacting so strongly indicates that we're doing something very well.

When I said performance, I meant LIVE as in before an audience. Because that's all that matters is how much you can give a crowd.

I think you're a great person for giving us so much of your time and energy.

There's nothing ironic about it. I think we're great. Not classically great and we fuck up alot, but we're totally aware of our limitations and celebrate them.

I love this fucking band. Mostly because we can piss off fans of the truly worst band ever, KISS.

I'm not pissed. You really are a delusional moron.

 

[reklus]

I'm not pissed. You really are a delusional moron.

What's the delusion?

That we've got people we like who like our music and understand our goal?

That we put on a show that even people who hate our kind of music compliment us on?

That's the entire thing for our band. Fun. That is the primary thing missing in most bands these days.

 

[Greg_L]

You're delusional in regards how you interpret what people say about your band.

No big deal. Rock on.

 

[reklus]

You're delusional in regards how you interpret what people say about your band.

No big deal. Rock on.

Huh?

Never mind. I got it. It's cuz of the chicks.

Don't worry, your time will come. The secret is to not care about forums more than sex and to realize that your sacred cows have always sucked as much as you say we do.

To everybody else. Sorry for this. I was hoping for a slagfest (hoped people would critique instead of insult), instead what I got was one dude with a sad life.

 

[Greg_L]

Lol. This is hilarious. Sacred cows? Do you have trouble reading what I'm typing? I just listed a bunch of examples of bands that I love that follow your philosophy...except they don't sound like shit.

You're the one that couldn't handle simple critiques. White Strat summed it up perfectly.

 

[reklus]

Lol. This is hilarious. Sacred cows? Do you have trouble reading what I'm typing? I just listed a bunch of examples of bands that I love that follow your philosophy...except they don't sound like shit.

You're the one that couldn't handle simple critiques. White Strat summed it up perfectly.

Yeah, and I agreed with him 100% in his assessment of our differences.

But I'm done talking to you, I already decided not to pick on Jordan today, you're only slightly sadder.

As far as those bands you listed...We sound nothing like them and except for the Ramones and the Misfits I really don't like any of that shit. California Punk ruined punk and the New York Dolls were ok, but WAAAAY overrated.
Johnny Thunders should lick my balls for being a junkie that made it even cooler for idiots to idolize junkies.

Dude, we're not a fast band or a punk band. We're a slow, stoner noise rock band. I have no delusions about fame or talent. I do think we're fun and awesome. How seriously do you think a band that has songs like "Jesus Loves Cock" and "I'm just a little girl" (sung by a 300 pound monster like me) takes it self? It's all about taking the piss as my Australian friends use to say.

Consider the piss taken.

I really wish you all the luck in the world making your perfect music that offends no one except all of the Christians that are so popular in your part of the world.

 

[Greg_L]

And good luck to you. I'm sure theres a small fanbase for even your brand of suck.

 

[XLR]

So, we posted... improv songs...

I love free unstructured improvisation of all types - the more non-traditional the better. But these two vids don't convey anything musically expressive to me... just the boredom of the people in the room, and self-conscious mugging for the camera.

 

[reklus]

I love free unstructured improvisation of all types - the more non-traditional the better. But these two vids don't convey anything musically expressive to me... just the boredom of the people in the room, and self-conscious mugging for the camera.

Because of the technical weeknesses in the musical source material (live, improv and poorly recorded) for both videos we decided to go lofi despite having better equipment easily available. This decision was made to illustrate and reflect the percieved low quality of the music. Plus we were drunk for Satan Love Song.

The Satan Love Song video was structured to illustrate this idiocy of the lyrics and the concept behind them. It references Beatlemania and is a self aware humor piece.

The video for complications was a single shot unplanned event that truly reflects the songs goofy pain and does a fairly good job of showing my ideas for this song...My wife and I had a fight during practice (about band stuff) and everyone got pissed with me. I turned on the camera and played the song in the background. Luckily my wife and our drummer grabbed stuff found around the space when they realized what was going on. It cleared the air and all of (fairly small but weird) fanbase loved it.

 

[ido1957]

So, we posted improv videos of improv songs we recorded a few years back.

The videos are boring - they would be a lot more interesting if you were lip syncing the songs. The tongue is pretty uncool....I thought you didn't like KISS?

Please be brutal.

No problem - the previous posters have seen to that....

The songs were recorded using a phonic 24 track crap box and shitty mics 2 years ago.

Why don't you have anything more recent?

We're recording new songs right now.

I hope after not recording for 2 years you haven't lost your "edge"......

 

[Nightfire]

You had the guts to ask us what we thought of it so I hope you have the fortitude to digest our answers: it sucked.
Theres some pretty weird and raw and energetic and messed up home videos and home music out there that really appeals to me, but this didnt. Sorry.
This looks like the video my former band made when we were in grade 8.
Not bashing you, just being honest.



Mike

 

[reklus]

The videos are boring - they would be a lot more interesting if you were lip syncing the songs. The tongue is pretty uncool....I thought you didn't like KISS?

You're right. Gene Simmons has literally probably trademarked having a tongue.

I was lip syncing. It was a deliberate choice to do that to add a certain goof factor.

 

[ido1957]

I love this fucking band. Mostly because we can piss off fans of the truly worst band ever, KISS.

So why imitate the obvious tongue thing from KISS if you hate them? That's the ultimate form of flattery...

 

[reklus]

So why imitate the obvious tongue thing from KISS if you hate them? That's the ultimate form of flattery...

I honestly didn't imitate KISS. I never have any conscious thought about them I'm a bit too young to have grown up with them and a bit too old to have bought the toys in the nineties.

It was more making fun of my own voice and a bit of a reference to Eddie Izzard's routine about chiropractors.

"Make the noise. I live for the noise"

Wow that sounds wierd out of context.

 

[reklus]

You had the guts to ask us what we thought of it so I hope you have the fortitude to digest our answers: it sucked.
Theres some pretty weird and raw and energetic and messed up home videos and home music out there that really appeals to me, but this didnt. Sorry.
This looks like the video my former band made when we were in grade 8.
Not bashing you, just being honest.
Mike

Thanks. I appreciate your honesty. Could someone out there with sufficient interest in bashing me please do a "suck breakdown"? I'm a bit out of touch with reality I guess (according to a few people here) and I'd like to know what makes this suck and what would make this interesting.

I refer to the music, because I'm not really concerned about people's take on the videos anymore. I realize now that they're far too much of an inside joke for people outside our musical sphere to get. A bit too high concept. The high concept remark was a joke for those of you with internet based sarcasm and humor deficiencies.

 

[Greg_L]

Okay man, in all seriousness and all honesty, this is why I think just the music sucks. Forget the videos. Just my opinion.

It's poorly performed and not very interesting. I'm down with the whole droney stoner-rock vibe. I am. But this just doesn't sound very good. And being offensive and tongue-in-cheek is cool when the music backs it up, but if offensive is all you have to hang your hat on, then that's kind of weak. It seems fake and forced and kind of sad, really. I know you're against technical ability, but if the musicianship - for lack of a better word - was better the songs would be better. It's just kind of sloppy. I'm not saying you have to be razors edge tight, but I think this could be better.

This is just a home-recording message board, but most people try to do the best that they can. It's kind of silly to think that people that spend time and money trying to make the best recordings they can will jump on board something that purposefully sounds bad. This isn't a snobby forum, but there's a difference between sounding bad on purpose and sounding bad because you just don't know any better. The difference is usually pretty obvious. The folks in here are generally way more supportive when the suck in question is legit and they actually want help and honest feedback instead of just looking to make some lame statement.