So now that you (by default) concede you have no rebuttal for my technical points that dither and jitter 90+ dB below the music are inaudible
I don't know which thread you're in, Ethan, but I've only been rebutting you for some two weeks now, and concede nothing of the sort. The fact that you just can't understand that there is nothing *under* anything else here, the fundamental problem with your reasoning, is the core of your unability to understand the rest.
Just because dithering takes place in the last bit or two doesn't mean that it doesn't cause harmonic distortion to the structure of the entrire wave form. It in fact *does*. This is just one of the many litmus tests that have become apparent in this thread that indicates that you just don't have a fundamental understanding of just how digital representation of an analog signal actually works. Without that fundamental understanding, any further technical discussion on our part would only a one-way dialog, because it would be falling on, maybe not deaf ears, but ears wothout the ability to comprehend.
all you have left is threats?
What is it about text-based forums that cause such complete misconstructures about what people say? There are no threats involved here. My GOD.
I cautioned you that you're now entering an area where you are making statements that to anybody who has at least a somewhat correct technical grasp of the issue are indistinguiahable from complete nonsense, and that in your own interest you might want to condiser backing off. Hell, Ethan, if I had any ill will at all towards you, I'd let you continue spewing such muck wothout offering that caution, because you run the risk of digging your own grave if you do.
You simply have no idea how that one post you made about analog jitter and all that stuff sounds like it came straight from a loon, and I and anyone else are powerless to correct or help you without sending you back to school for some basics first. You are trying to do the equivalent of trying to offer some non-linerar algebraic proofs while getting the basic arithmetic wrong..
And would surely be yours too if you were here so I could prove it to you in person with a blind test.
Over and over and over and over again with the same misundertanding and misleading statements. Once again, if you actually read and understood what I and others have replied to you over and over and over again - with zero ducking - those tests are meaningless because you're testing for the wrong thing the wrong way.
The effects of dither are - at best - subtle, and not automatically audible all the time. We have stipulated to that from the biginning. The real answer is statistical in nature, not an all-or-nothing proposition, and not one which can even begin to be investigated by a non-blind (you keep erroneously calling it blind, it's not) A/B test. I feel you will never be able wrap your head around that concept. You really are looking at a 20th century issue from a classical 19th century perspective.
But I'm not willing to see my partner and employees harmed by those who can't discuss the facts calmly and rationally.
Which is exactly what I was cautioning you against, Ethan. That potential harm is exactly the kind of danger you are inadvertantly exposing them to because you are talking about stuff that you do not yet have the fundamental knowledge base to be able to rationally discuss yet.
Unfortunately, your fundamental knowledge of how digital actually *functions* is seriously flawed or lacking...or at least it certainly does not match your level of knowledge of things analog and acoustic. It would take weeks or months to get through enough of that just for us to be able to stipulate the basics together. I don't have the time for that. But without that, there is simply nothing to discuss, because you will continue to be talking about square pegs and I will continue to be talking about round holes, and we will never be able to get togther on anything related to the issue.
I know you don't want to hear that, that you think it's an attack on you - even though I guarantte you it's not - and that you are blaming the messenger for the message. I will have to simply bear with that.
The really sad part is that this whole thread is much ado about very little. My GOD, were talking about *dither* here for chrissakes. It's not like it's something that your avergae engineer loses any sleep over, one way or the other. It's such a minor variable in the entire equation to waste so much energy on.
I have to apologize for my part in making this minor thread so damn long. It's my fault that I have a real hard and serious dislike for pseudo-science and bad science that tries to pass itself off as anything even close to legitimate, and I was suckered back into this thread more than once after "leaving". I try to keep that unflattering part of my personality under control, but I ovbiously don't often do a very good job of it
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