Fender Hot rod series

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Ok, here's the deal...

I have read everything about the hot rod series, but I still do not get what makes it deffferent to have 1x12", 2x12" or 4x10" speakers. DO you think cuality is messing around with these speaker's relations.

About loudness, sound cuality, amp cuality, which of those three is the real boss...??


How do you compare hot rod series with Flextone III??:cool:
 
More speakers push more air, which makes it louder, fuller, and just all around better (to most peoples ears). Just physics (but I don't remember the name of the principle). At any rate, more speakers being driven by the same amount of power is louder.


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Ok, now I understadn the differences...

But still I can't get to know why people keeps trying on Line6 Flextone III series?...is it becouse it's got better cuality components?

I mean, what would make you decide to get a Flextone III and not a Fender Deville, besides the effects?

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I mean, what would make you decide to get a Flextone III and not a Fender Deville, besides the effects?

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I think you just answered your own question. The real question is how it sounds to your ear. You try them out, and you get the one you like more.


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How do you compare hot rod series with Flextone III??
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The Hot Rods are real tube amps that sound great. The Flextone is an amp that copies what real tube amps do, its not quite the real thing. Yeah they have 32 models or whatever, but none sound as good as a real amp.

I have the 4x10 version, with a couple mods,. and it just flat out rocks!. I have messed with a Flextone II, spent hours fiddling with it, and never was quite satisfied with the sound. To my ears modeling amps just don't have the dynamics down yet.
 
The 212 Deville is what I have and I prefer it over the 410. I compared it with the 410 in the store and there's no comparrison! Also, shitcan all of those Sovtek Tubes and get some JJ tubes!
 
OK the deal is that I cannot try them, because where I live, these amps do not exists. The best I can try here is my Fender Deluxe '90 'couse I brought it form USA, besides, I do not have the oportunity to hear other amps.

That's why I need you guy's opinion about the Flextone III series and the Rod Hot Series...

Any help or recomendation will be apreciated...
Thanks...:D
 
nicolaad30 said:
OK the deal is that I cannot try them, because where I live, these amps do not exists. The best I can try here is my Fender Deluxe '90 'couse I brought it form USA, besides, I do not have the oportunity to hear other amps.

That's why I need you guy's opinion about the Flextone III series and the Rod Hot Series...

Any help or recomendation will be apreciated...
Thanks...:D
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For my self, when in doubt, I would always go with the analog choice. But that is just me.


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mmm... kinda hard. I guess I stay with the Rod Hot series, now, why is it better to get the 2x12 over the 4x10? The price is about the same... why not to get the 1x12??

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The 1x12 is the 40 watt version where as the 2x12 and 410 are the 60 watt versions. The 212 has more bass response than the 410. I like the tone better. I will eventually get a 412 4 ohm speaker cabinet for it. That way i'll be pushing more air, in turn, more volume. it's too bad Fender doesn't make a 120 watt, 4 power tube, head version of the same amp, that would be choice! It could have a toggle switch to cut power to 2 of the power tubes and make it 60 watts again. that would be killer.
 
The 1x12 is the 40 watt version where as the 2x12 and 410 are the 60 watt versions. The 212 has more bass response than the 410. I like the tone better. I will eventually get a 412 4 ohm speaker cabinet for it. That way i'll be pushing more air, in turn, more volume. it's too bad Fender doesn't make a 120 watt, 4 power tube, head version of the same amp, that would be choice! It could have a toggle switch to cut power to 2 of the power tubes and make it 60 watts again. that would be killer.
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To each his own, everybody has their own preference, and different amps sound better with different guitars. I prefer the 4x10, and believe it has better bass response than the 2x12 - to my ears it is a "tighter" bass response, with plenty of bottom end whump on tap. But then I like a bright, cutting guitar tone. I have never done an A/B comparison with the 2x12, but I can tell you that the 4x10 will put out a lot of bottom end at very high volume levels without getting farty sounding, but again, that's only my opinion. It also has a little bit of an extended high end over the 12's. Speakers do break in after a few hours of playing, so you can't always go by how an amp sounds in a store. But again, that's just my opinion - your experience will vary.

As far as the 1x12, the difference between a "40 watt" and a "60 watt" amp is negligible. The big difference would be that the 1x12 will reach speaker saturation and distortion a lot earlier than a 2x12 or 4x10. Personally, I don't like speaker distortion, to me it sounds like flatulence. What is right for you depends a lot on what you will be using it for - if you won't be using it at high volume levels, the quieter 1x12 may be a better choice.
 
I have tryed a 1x10 amp, I do not know what brand, but had a celestion speaker. Personally I did not like the way a 1x10 sounds. it is kinda middy... like if you were playing throug a 6" speaker... dont know... I guess I rather a 12" why not 2x12" and also I still believe that bigger speakers would provide more bass frequency response.

About the tubes... the ones that come originally with the RH are reliable or is it better to change them right away?.. I read a review here that it'd be good to get some JJ tubes..:confused:

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I have tryed a 1x10 amp, I do not know what brand, but had a celestion speaker. Personally I did not like the way a 1x10 sounds. it is kinda middy... like if you were playing throug a 6" speaker... dont know... I guess I rather a 12" why not 2x12" and also I still believe that bigger speakers would provide more bass frequency response.

About the tubes... the ones that come originally with the RH are reliable or is it better to change them right away?.. I read a review here that it'd be good to get some JJ tubes..:confused:

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AH, but if you have a 410 you have more overall speaker area, so they do not sound anything like a 110 speaker, and many people think they have better bass response than a 212 (including Stevie Ray Vaughan, or so he said in a Guitar Player article when I was still a teenager and read that magazine).


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nicolaad30 said:
I have tryed a 1x10 amp, I do not know what brand, but had a celestion speaker. Personally I did not like the way a 1x10 sounds. it is kinda middy... like if you were playing throug a 6" speaker... dont know... I guess I rather a 12" why not 2x12" and also I still believe that bigger speakers would provide more bass frequency response.
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I agree. I compared the 410 and the 212 side by side in the store and I liked the 212 better. It also depends on the speaker itself.

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About the tubes... the ones that come originally with the RH are reliable or is it better to change them right away?.. I read a review here that it'd be good to get some JJ tubes..:confused:

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JJ tubes brought new life to my amp. visit www.eurotubes.com. That guy is very cool, and he guarantees the tubes for a whole year. He is local for me though. I brought my amp to him and he adjust the bias for free and everything. For you not being local, just purchase some tubes, then have someone who knows what they're doing bias the amp for you. If the JJ tube go bad (rarely) he'll replace them for free. Just send him the old ones and he'll replace them for you. Tell him the guy with the DeVille and the old red Ford truck sent you!
 
i realize this is a bit late, but I've owned a 1x12 for 4 years and it is hands down the best amp to my ears. I've owned 4 diff amps and played/used reqularly3-4 others. even other tube amps i've tried have sounded so well. flexible too!
 
jajjajaja.... the red old truck... ok nice to have the contact...:D

Ok now I have something in mind that may be sort of nuts...I could get a HRD 1x12 and use my Fender Deluxe '90 as an extension cabinet... and not to worry about spending 750 $ for a deville...

Well, it might be anoying when moving from home to gig... to practice... two amps... but what the he** what a guitar player needs is his tone.:D
 
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I have a 2x12 also and LOVE the tone I get with it using my Strat and Tele. HAvent tried the 4x10 side by side.
 
nicolaad30 said:
Well, it might be anoying when moving from home to gig... to practice... two amps... but what the he** what a guitar player needs is his tone.:D
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I beg to differ. You obviously have never owned a large amp. I would rather lugg around 2 smaller amps with great tone than carry one moster. My Super Reverb is probably around the same weight as that Deville 4x10, and belive me, you will be buying a practice amp for practice. :D
 
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