How to warm things up without expensive tube gear . . .

chessrock

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(Warning to the experienced: This thread is intended for newbies and intemediates. Some of the more seasoned of you might get a little bored with this, just to warn you! You're welcome to chime in your two cents, though, if I'm wrong or if you have a different opinion on something I say. Thanks!)


The search for Clean

It seems we musicians and (amateur) engineers are always striving for a "clear, accurate, and crisp" sound coming from our microphones. So much so that a great demand has been placed on microphone manufacturers to satisfy this craving. Large diaphragm condensers have become the most talked-about subject on recording forums (right next to "accurate, clean"sound cards). Hailed for their fast transient response, inexpensive SDCs have created a lot of demand themselves with their superior transient response and accuracy.

After listening to our crisp, clear mixes long enough, we eventually reach a revelation. It can be summed up in 6 words: "I want it to sound warmer." After discussing this new longing with a trusted source, we learn all about tubes.

Just what is warmth anyway?

Now my school of thought says you don't have to know how the phone works in order to make a call with it. I apply the same theory to tube circuitry. So here is my ultra-simplified dummy definition of warmth: "adj. A controlled form of distortion to the audio signal that results in a pleasing and musical effect to the ear."

You realize what we are doing is looking for ways to distort our signal. Don't you?

It's kind of like spending all day cleaning, and then deciding your house is too neat. "How can I make this place look warmer (there's that word again) and more lived-in?" "I got it! I'll throw a couple of socks over here, and mess this couch up a bit . . . "

Well, today is your lucky day

Well, maybe-maybe not. Let's just say that I am going to share some ideas on how to warm up a signal without expensive tubes. If you consider yourself lucky (my sympathies go out to you), then great.

Suggestion 1: Dynamic Microphones are your friend. Slower transient response and less accuracy = warmth, my friends. A really good dynamic mic will sound noticeably warmer, and it will still maintain all of the sonic integrity you need. If you would like some examples of good large-diaphragm dynamics, this article is full of them. Quote from article: "Can you tell that I like big dynamic mics yet?":

http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/files/62600CDE2A2ED769862566880015FFC5

Suggestion 2: Reel-to-reels. For financial reasons, it would be tough for a lot of people to swing for a 2" tape deck. However, if you can get a hold of a good 1/4" machine, this could be an ideal medium for recording a few tracks at a time, and for overdubs. Here is how I use mine:

When tracking, I will run all drums first to my mixer. There, I will create as good of a sub mix as I can and mix to two tracks (stereo). It takes a while, but with practice you can learn to get a decent, usable mix on the spot. From the mixer, this is recorded on to my 1/4" reel-to-reel at high speed.

At the same time, I am sending all other signals (mic'ed guitar, direct bass, maybe a scratch vocal) through preamps and/or DI's straight to the inputs on my sound card. After the basic tracking, I will then try recording some of the overdubs on to tape as well. NOTE: * This is not going to be possible if you have less-than-stellar players, or if you are doing a lot of punch ins/outs! * Some musicians I have worked with prefer to do a bunch of tracks straight through -- and then let me worry about pieceing together the best takes later. These are the types of musicians this will work well with.

Syncing it all up

Before starting, I will always record something to both the tape and the the DAW at the same time. Usually something sharp like a clap or finger snap. I try to mix the sound up for each take. I will then repeat this step when tracking is complete. This gives me two reference points for syncing later on. I might even record the entire track to DAW simultaneously just for kicks.

All of the taped tracks are then recorded straight to the DAW. I'll be very lucky if the tracks sync up perfectly. If I need to time-stretch them, I have programs that do a very good job of this without noticeable artifacts. From there I can audition, cut, paste, and edit all of the best tracks. In some cases, I may even find that I like the DAW-recorded tracks better, so they come in handy if you have them available.

This allows me sort of a "best of both worlds" situation. The unmistakeable sound of magnetic particles and how they react creates a pleasing effect to the ear. A lot of it is the natural compression that occurs when the tape is saturated with audio signal.

Compression

Analog tape isn't the only means of creating a warm and pleasing compression effect. The opto-compressor is known for creating this effect. The details of how it all works might bore some of the non-techoids, so let's just say that it does sound warm. There are a few very good manufacturers that produce opto compressors at a good price and without using tubes.

Summing it up

Chessrock has had a lot of fun with this, so I offer this: Warmth is a very subjective experience. It is different for everyone, so be careful with it. One man's warmth may just be another man's mud. One man's clean may be another man's sterile. Give some serious thought and consideration to identifying and defining what you experience as warm. What sounds "warm" to you, and who does a good job of achieving it, in your opinion? Listen to some old recordings of "the Band." Take "Dark Side of the Moon" for a spin. Do these recordings sound warm to you, or do they just sound dated?

Have fun,

Chess
 
Hmmm, I didn't read everything here thoroughly since I'm tired as hell...but anyway, I tend to associate "warmth" with large-diaphragm condensers. Maybe that's the point you're trying to make, that dynamics can be warm too?

To me, a lot of dynamics sound fuzzy-harsh rather than the crispy-harshness of some condensers. This can be a good thing when you need some extra distortion when micing a guitar amp, or when the presence peak complements a voice, but is just as often a bad thing as well. Both types of mics can sound warm as well...
 
I agree with your assesment on dynamic mics!
Also, since I don't use 2" Reel-Reel, IMHO, the NEXT BEST THING
is to record to ADAT's! You get digital quality recorded onto tape!!
 
MISTERQCUE said:
I agree with your assesment on dynamic mics!
Also, since I don't use 2" Reel-Reel, IMHO, the NEXT BEST THING
is to record to ADAT's! You get digital quality recorded onto tape!!
ADAT's are digital recorders, are they not? And the tape is simply the storage medium, right? not unlike the HD in my computer, both are digital storage devices. So where does the benefit of the tape come in as far as sound goes? You're still in the digital domain, and hence would recieve no "tape saturation" from an ADAT. Right?
Just asking, Mr. Q.
 
I thought we were going to talk about how to stay warm in the control room??? Space heaters are so noisy! Anyone ever tried heat lamp bulbs?

Peace,
Dennis
 
Michael Jones said:

ADAT's are digital recorders, are they not? And the tape is simply the storage medium, right? not unlike the HD in my computer, both are digital storage devices. So where does the benefit of the tape come in as far as sound goes? You're still in the digital domain, and hence would recieve no "tape saturation" from an ADAT. Right?
Just asking, Mr. Q.
Good point there Mike, However for some reason or anutha'
IMHO, the sound transferance onto ADAT tape from the digital realm does add some warmth to those I's and O's as the information the tape contains shows some deferance to 2"!
Did I make any sense here!!??
In other words, afters years of working with ADAT's and having the opportunity to record on 2" (well maybe a few times) there is some proximity to so-called warmth in re to ADAT!
Just using my ears,which is my BEST piece of gear!
 
MISTERQCUE said:


Did I make any sense here!!??

Yup, I believe what Mr Q is referring to is the quantization noise that comes across because of the converters. Bob Katz noted a certain amount of self dithering because of a change in bit rate due to thermal variances of the converters operation. Dithering as we know adds warmth, one of the primary reasons for the dithering process outside of trying to extend the dynamic range of the 16 bit system. Dither can be viewed in some ways as a frequency shaped bias.

Peace,
Dennis
 
MISTERQCUE said:
IMHO, the sound transferance onto ADAT tape from the digital realm does add some warmth to those I's and O's as the information the tape contains shows some deferance to 2"!
Did I make any sense here!!??

I think the Q is onto something...like some great weed! ;)

Seriously man...ADATs warm? If your ears say so, I suppose.

Personally, I just think digital gets a bad rap. I can hear the differences between digital/analog...but give me a nice ADAT or a 24-bit soundcard with good converters and warm sources sound just as warm to me in digital. No point in obsessing over the medium...just work on your source and your signal chain. If you must have analog, just go into a studio for an hour or two...come prepared and you can get some usable takes down on 2" with a very nice mic/signal chain, have them drop it onto a CD in 24-bit and mix it in at home.
 
TexRoadkill said:
Just run your entire mix through a Art Tube MP and master to casette. ;)

(cough)

Cough all you want...sonusman does that all the time, substituting a LynxOne for the cassette deck, and I think his results speak for themselves.

;)
 
yep, the Art will warm up a track...but cassette??....I dont think so....well, hopefully you know the quality differences of a cassette deck and the LynxOne.....

also, i believe Ed takes extra special care that the tracks going in are being tracked with balls.......
 
No, the LynxOne is not exactly a cassette, but in principle this is pretty close to what you guys are joking about. I'm guessing you're not fans of the Oblique Strategies ;)

sonusman said:
I run all my mixes through my ART while mixing. Check them out www.echostarstudio.com/Download.html

Losing warmth because you are recording to digital? Hardly, but I am not going to go into this again. I am sick of this arguement. Try getting hotter signal to tape then see if you are complaining. Unless of course the sonic inaccuaracies added color as a result of biasing is what you want.

Ed

look here

So, yes, it appears he does (or at least did) run all his mixes through an ART Dual MP. Don't take it as scripture...better to ask the man himself.
 
Im not disagreeing with you that a Art can warm up a track and as long as nobody takes it too serious, yes we can compare cassette to the Lynx....how about an Art into 1" tape....mmmmm.....

like i said, Ed would probably tell ya its just important to come in with a good sounding signal, thru some good analog gear......but i wont make the err of putting words in his mouth again...i rather put other things in his mouth......:eek:
 
I don't think I'd use the 'w' word too much with the Tube MP...sometimes it sounds warm, other times.... ;)

I dunno why it gets such a bad rap, though. I mostly like it for hitting the input hard, which tames the transients without needing a compressor/limiter.
 
I just love the way it gives a bass guitar sort of a "humming" sound. I don't know if I'd use it for too much else, though.
 
bass guitar thru a Joe Meek....mmmmmmmmm.......

or a Countryman DI......mmmmmmmmmm.......
 
I don't know about meeking the bass.

It just doesn't do it for me. The attack time on the comp. is so slow, you could grab a sandwich (mmmmm), download some porn (mmmmm), and clip the shit out of your a/d converters (doh!) by the time the green light starts glowing.
 
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