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    I suggest buying 8 Neumann KM184s, taping them all together with the capsules meticulously lined up to avoid any phase cancellation. Only about $6000 for the package. Make sure to get a strong stand. A cheapo OnStage stand will buckle under the weight!

    That should get the level up a bit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalismanRich View Post
    I suggest buying 8 Neumann KM184s, taping them all together with the capsules meticulously lined up to avoid any phase cancellation. Only about $6000 for the package. Make sure to get a strong stand. A cheapo OnStage stand will buckle under the weight!

    That should get the level up a bit!



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    Quote Originally Posted by LazerBeakShiek View Post
    ...414's hypercard diagrams showing left sided weakness.
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    Mic responses are not uneven from one side to the other. What your seeing are the patterns at different frequencies - lower freq plotted on the left, higher frequencies on the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalismanRich View Post
    Make sure to get a strong stand. A cheapo OnStage stand will buckle under the weight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolCat View Post
    The 414 does all the patterns... does anyone use the SuperHype Cardioid? or is it a bell & whistle and the mic spends 99% in cardioid mode?

    (trick question to see if anyone really uses supercardioid)
    Short answer is no.

    I don't use one on a multi-pattern mic but I have used Shure Beta 58a and 57a mics, and a Sennheiser (not sure which it was - it was the singer's mic and I looked it up to know what I was dealing with). I still use them if I'm recording at a venue that supplies the mic and nobody wants to change it.

    In those super/hyper-cardioid dynamics (like the Betas), IMO they're primarily designed for the tighter pattern, which helps feedback rejection in louder environments, especially smaller spaces. They're also a bit hotter (than the 58/57), so the gain doesn't need to be cranked quite as much, also helping with feedback control. And, as noted, they've got a bit more "bite" to my ear, so probably "cut through the mix" for those folks that have troubles with the proximity effect consequence of having to stay on top of a 58 when it's dialed back to reduce feedback (e.g.).

    Downside is the sound if it isn't what you want, and also that tighter pattern is problematic for folks that can't stay on the mic in a consistent way. I see lots of problems with folks at open mics that use the Beta when performers can't stop turning their head to look down at the fingerboard when they are singing. A regular cardioid is going to be a little more forgiving. And, that little tail at 180 will pick up something loud like a floor wedge. The last [new] Beta 58a box I opened included a little cardboard thing to put on the mic to show where floor monitors could be placed, specifically eliminating the spot directly behind the mic. That's one reason I got rid of my Beta 57as - as a mic on a guitar cab sitting on the floor they tended to pick up floor monitors a little too well. (I did like them for vocals, but I have SM58s which I just found easier to record because of the less demanding pattern.)
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