Has anyone seen these shock mounts?

kellySHU

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I'm hopeful that the moderators will allow this post, for it is not meant to be shameless self-promotion, it's just that the product is so new that I'd like to receive some non-objective opinions from valued members of the forum. The product is located at www.kellyshu.com. As the creator of the invention, I can say that the mounting system was developed out of necessity for a better way to run a microphone on a kick drum.

The application is meant to be more for live sound, but the recent addition of the rubber grommets, I think more than solidifies the useage in recording applications. The system is silent and very versitile. Attached is a photo of the actual mount. I am hopeful that some of you might give me some feedback on what you think of the system. There is a review of it in the works due to be published in Tapeop magazine.

Thanks again!

J. Kelly
 

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I think you are going to find a very limited market. First the cost is significanly more than a liow profile boom stand that is the old stand by. Next, I don't know how advantageous it is for an external mount.... What is the benefit over a regular desk stand? You can't easily put your drum with an externally mounted mic in a case. Not to mention, with no case, the mount is hanging out there to be knocked around. No house sound man is going to want to screw with mounting it on every drum that cross their stage. (I usually have 3 bands a night.)

For internal mounts I can see slightly more use.... but again, how many guys really want to permanently keep a mic in their drum? The vast majority of drummers are going to use house mics at a venue or studio and don't know what micing a kick drum is all about. Plus, do they really want to screw something into their expensive wood shells? I don't.

Rubber bands would make it a pain to position. In live sound especially you usually don't have time to mess with that much positioning unless you are a sizable touring show and can set up much before the show than the average weekend warrior can. I have to imagine you have to screw with them for a while to get them where you want where as a mic stand is pretty straight forward adn takes about 15 seconds.

The market is going to be a small section of folks who engineer and play drums and have some beef with regular stands (which work just fine in my experience). Just my 2 cents.
 
Given the traffic that this board receives, it might be worth the investment to actually send a few of these to members for actual hands-on reviews.

I visited your site, and I must say that the product is interesting, but a tad expensive for what is essentially a mic stand. Undoubtedly a reasonable facsimile could be fashioned from a horseshoe and some angle iron for about $5.

For that kind of money, I'd much sooner invest in another mic.
 
I think sending a few out to someone like Rami here on this board or to Bubba to test out in studio conditions and maybe one to someone that mics live on a regular basis is a great idea.

From the pic on the site this appears to be somewhat a variation on something that was done years ago and which i posted as a possible explaination to a thread about tape reels and drums in the recording techniques area. (Of course a shock mount is not a new concept.)

The following is an excerpt of an interview from Mix Online:

http://bg.mixonline.com/ar/audio_elliot_scheiner/


We did all sorts of stuff. Shelly Yakus worked at A&R also; he and I started on the same day. And I remember walking into his session one day and he'd rigged this thing on the house bass drum where he took the head off but left the screws on. Then he took bungie-style cords and a tape reel hub, attached the bungies to the hub and hung it right in the middle of the drum.

Suspended it.

Right. Then he put eyebolts in to secure an SM57 to the middle of the hub. It was the best-looking thing. You know, a lot of times we do things because they look great.

Really?

In this case, the idea was, how loud can you be? So, Shelly did this thing, and it sounded pretty good. I tried it, but I could never get it to sound good.


Best of luck
:)
 
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a few answers

First of all, thanks to you members who have given their honest opinions to my design. I am looking for unbiased opinions and I'm not one who is afraid of a little constructive critisizm. I'm anticipating there will be those who are sceptical and as well they should be - no problem at all with that.

Just to clear up a couple of questions that a few of you had...

The Kelly SHU utilizes existing hardware that is already present on the drum. There is NO DRILLING required. The interior mounting configuration uses the tuning hardware screws that already pass through the drum shell as the attachment point for the interior loops. When mounted externally, the hooks on the support cords attach to the tuning lugs behind the drum hoop. The support cords are natural rubber which poses no threat to the finish of the drums.

One reason why I developed this product is that I have been a drummer in working bands for 20 plus years. Often we would get a mechanical noise problem from vibration which would transfer from the stage and in turn travel through the desktop stand used to hold the kick drum microphone and on to the microphone itself, causing an erroneous signal. The Kelly SHU totally isolates the microphone from the stage and the drum both so that problem is totally solved through use of the system.

Use of the system also eliminates the telescope boom which gets the microphone into the kick when using the shorty desktop stands. The boom is a trip hazard for other musicians as well as it takes up plenty of stage space due to the large base needed to support the weight of the kick drum microphone on the end of the boom. As far as casing up the drum, the external mounting method keeps everything out of the way and behind the plane of the drum hoop/tuning lugs as the tab and microphone protrude backward, into the sound port. The drum can be placed flat on it's front without any contact by the mount or microphone touching the floor or road case.

The system is also ideal for bands traveling with their own sound system and engineers. The mic stays with the drum, saving time at set up. It is always in the right spot, the mount will not shift position during play or transport. At set up, one just plugs in the microphone cable and the kick is ready to rock.

As with anything else, it's just a matter of getting used to your equipment. I think many people would be very suprised at how quickly the mount can be removed from one drum and used on another, especially when you have an assortment of various length support cords on hand to easily make the switch... that is if the external front mounting method is used, as in the case of the sound man running various bands in a night.

Given the price of some shock mounts these days, I feel the 154 retail is not too bad a deal. Some of the higher end shock mounts can run upwards of 2 to 350 bucks and those usually only accommodate a few models of the same brand of microphone. My system will handle most any microphone for less coinage.

As for making one of my systems out of a horeshoe and angle iron, I suppose it could be done, however the weight of such a knock-off would totally invalidate the whole purpose. My mounts weight a mere 9 ounces without the microphone. Everything has limitations and I don't suppose that a very large vintage tube mic would work the best with my system, but for most kick drum mics used today, the system holds its own quite well.

I would not be opposed to sending a couple of these to people to try them out, as long as they might let others know how they performed and an explanation of the application they were used on. I had live sound situations in mind when I developed the system, but a few engineers who do recording around here seem to think that these would do quite well in a studio, especially if you were using your own studio drum set for most bands or groups that come through. One would surely save some valuable drum booth area if my mounting system were used due to the absence of the kick drum mic stand.

If any of you are interested in trying one, please send an e-mail to info@kellyshu.com stating who you are and how you will be testing the Kelly SHU and I will consider any serious offer to have one of these systems sent to you for a trial run. I have 110% confidence in the system so I'm not afraid to have you give it a chance if you would promise to approach the test with an open mind. If you like the system, you can pay me for it. If you do not, just send it back. I might even pay return shipping for ya if you do not like it. Not everyone likes everything and ya can't please them all, but I think many of you would be very impressed with the quality and features of The Kelly SHU.

Bill's story about the tape reel/microphone mount is very interesting! I guess it's the same type concept I am using. Thanks bill for the link to the article, I read it all and there is some real history there! Good stuff!

To close the reply, I'll tell you that I occasionally work with the local IATSE whenever I get the call. I see pretty much every band come through, from U2 to Toby Kieth, using the same old school method of a shorty stand, boom arm and counterweight to mic the kick. It is a reliable method but I simply think its time to expand the horizons a bit. The price of my system is not that bad, when compared to other gear. The system offers a 30 day refund guarantee and lifetime warranty on the primary mounting unit. I feel the system is worth looking into. I run a reputable company with honest values. I'm not out to make a million, I just have a product that I think many can benefit from. If anyone has any other questions about my product, you are welcome to contact me through the forum or the website, www.kellyshu.com .

Again, thanks for allowing me the opportunity to hear some of your feedback. I value your opinions and views. Any other questions or comments would be very much welcomed.

All the best,

J. Kelly
Kelly Concepts, LLC
www.kellyshu.com
 
That which we call spam by any other name does not smelleth as sweet.

I appreciate your intentions, but your posts do clearly violate the rules of this site. Despite your flowery language, I personally can't see this as anything but spam.

:mad:
 
Ouch.
Well I'm more upset with real spam that doesn't even pertain to the music industry.

Like ring tones, cell phones, mortgages, love, viagra, etc. Now that is spam.
This is a guy letting us now about a useful product that some of us might want, but would never have known of in the first place.

Granted he registered in essence not to be a part of the community here (as far as we can tell). Unlike Mshilarious and others that let us know of useful products they make and sell, partially through these boards.
I think it wouldn't have been so bad if he didn't come straight out with the advert. Bu tthen again not everybody has the time/energy to hang out on a bunch of message boards all day.
 
I think its a very interesting idea. My only issue is the price. I know that you need to make money and everything, but from my side of the fence I cant really justify paying that much for it.

I do agree with the tripping hazard issue, however. On some stages the front of the bass drum for opening acts is less than a foot from the floor monitors at the front of the stage. Putting a boom stand in front of the kick pretty much eliminates the ability of the rest of the band to pass in front of the drummer.

I'd be interested in doing the "permanent" install thing, where you just leave it on the kick at all times, but for that price I'd also have to consider the MAY mounting system, as I haven't really researched the practice of isolating a kick mic. When my band starts actively playing shows again this winter I might consider applying for the trial run thing.
 
no more adverts.

Thanks to you who have replied to my posting. Actually, I did join the board to be part of the community and learn a thing or two from members who are more knoledgable in the field of recording than I am. I'm always eager to learn new stuff and I'm sure I can gain some knowledge through the board.

I will not be posting advertisements to my product on here in the future. I may have a link to the site in my signature, but I promise all of you that I will not flood the boards with ads for my product. I hate spam with a passion and did not intend to start out on the wrong foot. I do hope that you all will still have me as a member.

All the best.

J. Kelly
 
If your willing to send me one I will try it out.

I was working up something like that for my kick mic just to get rid of one more stand. I came up with a mount that attaches to the vent hole. It works great for live use.
 
kellySHU said:
Thanks to you who have replied to my posting. Actually, I did join the board to be part of the community and learn a thing or two from members who are more knoledgable in the field of recording than I am. I'm always eager to learn new stuff and I'm sure I can gain some knowledge through the board.

I will not be posting advertisements to my product on here in the future. I may have a link to the site in my signature, but I promise all of you that I will not flood the boards with ads for my product. I hate spam with a passion and did not intend to start out on the wrong foot. I do hope that you all will still have me as a member.

All the best.

J. Kelly
Noted. You have to understand than when someone's very first post here is an ad, it's usually a spammer.

Sorry if I was harsh. Everybody gets to be an asshole at some point - yesterday was my turn.
 
no problemo

I guess I likely deserved an ass-chewin'. You're cool MadAudio. No hard feelings!

Timboz - sounds like you also might have a great idea. You'll have to e-mail me some details about your offer to try the mounts. That's info@kellyshu.com. I'll hear and consider any request.

BTW. I'm sending one to Johnny Kelly of Type O Negative today. He wants to give it a test run! He's no relation of mine, I just got an e-mail from him and he happens to have the same last name as I.
 
The more Ithink about the Kelly SHU I think it's a really good idea. So much better than any other internal kick mic mount.

It really does seem like an ideal thing for live use.

With guitarists and vocalists running around the stage it's always a matter of time before someone trips over the kick mic stand. Usually swiveling the mic out of the hole. Resulting in a weak kick for thr rest of the show unless someone notices.

Also, I know of times I've seen sound guys use a D112 in one kick... and a 57 in the other (or none at all!) because he's not reaally equipped to handle double bass.

HMMM...... I wonder what SHU's would sound like in toms? Maybe you's have to make mini-SHU's. What it the exact diameter of the SHU? Willit fit in an 8" tom? Also I don't think I've ever heard toms internally mic'd like that. It might sound like poop, or just fine.

My honest oppinion though, the price is a bit too steep to really get the ball rolling this early in the product's life.
 
Cool concept! You need some raving testamonials from both musicians and studio engineers, and the price needs to come down (in my humble opinion).
Good luck!
 
Not crazy about the bungy cords. At that length, don't they allow the whole mount to oscillate? And at that price, it doesn't matter cuz no one I know would ever buy one, not when a mic stand is $15. Get real.
 
Looks like it would work well for isolating the mic from the drum. Good idea!


Way too expensive though. I could have those laser cut from a sheet of material for a couple bucks each. Add some bungie cords, grommets and the mic clip and you have about 10-15 bucks in materials if that. That's 1000% markup you got going on there.
 
kellySHU said:
I'm hopeful that the moderators will allow this post, for it is not meant to be shameless self-promotion, it's just that the product is so new that I'd like to receive some non-objective opinions from valued members of the forum. The product is located at www.kellyshu.com. As the creator of the invention, I can say that the mounting system was developed out of necessity for a better way to run a microphone on a kick drum.

The application is meant to be more for live sound, but the recent addition of the rubber grommets, I think more than solidifies the useage in recording applications. The system is silent and very versitile. Attached is a photo of the actual mount. I am hopeful that some of you might give me some feedback on what you think of the system. There is a review of it in the works due to be published in Tapeop magazine.

Thanks again!

J. Kelly

Hi J. Kelly,

It's a neat idea, but if I were you - I'd figure out how to make it out of rubber or PVC to get the cost down, because the cost alone is going to turn most people off - I mean, most drummers don't even want to "kick out" (pun intended - props to Piers Anthony) that much for a kick mic itself.


Tim
 
Tim Brown said:
Hi J. Kelly,

It's a neat idea, but if I were you - I'd figure out how to make it out of rubber or PVC to get the cost down, because the cost alone is going to turn most people off - I mean, most drummers don't even want to "kick out" (pun intended - props to Piers Anthony) that much for a kick mic itself.


Tim
Major props to Piers Anthony :D
 
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